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Offline Karnak

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #135 on: March 11, 2013, 03:51:31 PM »
The Ki-43s in the video Perrine linked certainly do some pretty rapid flick rolls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w
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« Reply #136 on: March 11, 2013, 04:17:11 PM »
From what i could understand, the shaking is more due to over speeding. Because he mentioned "like the planes without retractable landing gear the ki-43 would start to shake violently at higher speeds" not quoted exactly, but...yea. I would assume this could also happen when in a higher speed dive, HOWEVER..it also could have been something with the rpm of the engine.

The shaking is caused by high speed buffeting when the Ki-43 is approaching/exceeding its rated speed in a dive. 

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« Reply #137 on: March 11, 2013, 04:38:33 PM »
The Ki-43s in the video Perrine linked certainly do some pretty rapid flick rolls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #138 on: March 11, 2013, 06:21:25 PM »
Awesome song. Can I get a copy in FLAC format?




the source (vinyl?) must be very rare and was ripped using this machine.  It sounds very clean.

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« Reply #139 on: March 11, 2013, 06:25:43 PM »

the source (vinyl?) must be very rare and was ripped using this machine.  It sounds very clean.


yeah is sure sounded digital
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #140 on: March 11, 2013, 09:45:31 PM »
Thank you replay ,Wmaker.
I want to say,
may be ,HTC wiil meet some problems that dicede Ki43-II's performance.
I already wrote its reason.(Ki43-II's some minor version)

It's a easy that HTC decide Ki43-III's performance.
Because Ki-43III(kou) ,Max speed 555km/h ..amor protect ...self sealing tank, is known Europe side people.

I wrote performance of Ki43 on other Forum.
you could know, Ki43-II first model did'nt equip 250kg'bomb.

if HTC have some questions, may be AH's Ki43-II will not able to equip bombs,and will not equip amor protect.
because in USA, Europe, people know only this Ki43-II first version.

I have Worry its.

But I agree reason thar HTC decide realece of Ki43-II,
you wrote
"Considering that the -II is by far the most produced variant and saw service the longest. "


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I was suprised in here, ,some people wrote, Ki43-III was prototype.
In Japan, Ki43-III is known mass product type.(without Ki-43III-otsu)

and I could know, Ki43 is minor plane, and nobody have much infomation of ki43.
I was happy when I heard AH news.
and,I had worry.

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #141 on: March 11, 2013, 09:54:50 PM »
Pkun,

Yes, it seems quite evident based on what has been posted here that over 1000 Ki-43-III were built.  It doesn't seem that many of the -III-Otsu were built or that any saw combat though.

I think it was only really Krusty who claimed that the Ki-43-III didn't see service, but that is simply because he seems to work on a very evidence heavy basis.  You have to prove that they saw service, not just show the great likelyhood that they saw service for his standards to be met.  He is this way about all aircraft, not just Japanese aircraft.

From a researcher's point of view it is very frustrating that so many Japanese records did not survive.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #142 on: March 12, 2013, 01:06:44 AM »
Pkun,

I wouldn't worry too much. My guess is that HTC/Pyro is aware of the differences inside the Ki-43-II production. What might still of course help HTC is that if you sent the original sources of the data you posted to the Ki-43 service -thread to HTC. Personally I've looked at several Japanese publications on the Ki-43 but I have some trouble reading them. ;)

Regarding Ki-43-III. I've known all a long that -III was a mass produced type and saw service in several Sentais and at different locations (Burma, Philippines, Okinawa). Just like you stated, what was a prototype was the 20mm armed Ki-43-III (two built). Ki-43-III would definitely deserve its place in the game considering the overall historical significance of the Ki-43.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #143 on: March 12, 2013, 01:19:51 AM »
 How long 2 weeks  :rofl

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #144 on: March 12, 2013, 12:45:53 PM »
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #145 on: March 12, 2013, 01:25:16 PM »
Wrong  :D, I was in a Spit 8 in a furball, and a Spit 16 crossed my path, I fired one half second burst of 20mm and 303's, you know, only 10 rounds of 20mm, 30 rounds of 303

anyway

I stopped shooting instantly because I thought I would miss.....

1 20mm.... ONE hit sprite.

Cockpit shot , kill, 600 yards.

 :O no way

Hahahah n00b!  :)

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #146 on: March 12, 2013, 02:01:16 PM »
Ki-43III production version. Was that the one with 2 - 20mm Ho5, 60 rounds per gun in the cowling?

Suppose we could get the feel for it by dueling P51D, P47, F4U and F6f with a spit5 and only fire the cannons. Yak9u only has 120 20mm. If HiTech were willing, the Ki-43III would make a nice replacement for the lost Leviathin spit5 in the DA and MA furballs. Bet you would see INK in one just for the challenge.

If the production numbers realy are 1000, it's got the Ta152, 163 and spit14 beat for fufilling the requirments to get in this game. But, as Pkun has made reference to Western historians not knowing much about the 43III. Western sources give this kind of production numbers to cover the 43II & III.

2629 Ki-43-II & Ki-43-IIIa production aircraft (May 1943-Aug 1945)
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #147 on: March 12, 2013, 02:07:01 PM »
Bustr,

No, the Ki-43-III would be armed with two 12.7mm machine guns.  The 20mm cannon version never saw combat, and only two or so were built.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #148 on: March 12, 2013, 02:30:41 PM »
If the production numbers realy are 1000, it's got the Ta152, 163 and spit14 beat for fufilling the requirments to get in this game. But, as Pkun has made reference to Western historians not knowing much about the 43III. Western sources give this kind of production numbers to cover the 43II & III.

2629 Ki-43-II & Ki-43-IIIa production aircraft (May 1943-Aug 1945)

Aero Detail #29 (Japanese publication) where those cowl drawings which pkun posted are from gives a significant figure of 1727 Ki-43-IIIs produced (s/n 7001-8727).

Subtracting those IIIs from the combined II/III production of Tachikawa Hikoki and adding rest of the -II production gives a figure of 3443 serial production Ki-43-IIs built (based on Francillon's data).
« Last Edit: March 12, 2013, 02:35:43 PM by Wmaker »
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #149 on: March 12, 2013, 03:28:29 PM »
So which is it? Pkun's numbers known in Japan and the EU, or karnak's numbers......

Pkun, do you have a source document that can be shared in this POST?  

Even I'm confused on the differences other than the engine then.

Ki-43II
Ki-43III

What are the differences if 1000 43III were produced?
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OK now I'm up to speed found Pkun's other posting.

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I Explain Ki43.

Ki43-I
Released:1941 Apr
Engine:Ha-25 940hp
MaxSpeed:495km/h
Arm:Mostly Ho-103 12.7mm x1 type89 7.7mm x1
      Few type89 7.7x2 or Ho-103 12.7mmx2
with
self sealing tank(By felt).
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-I.jpg

Ki43-II Early
Released:1942 Nov
Engine:Ha-115 1100hp
MaxSpeed:515km/h
Arm:Mostly Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By felt).
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-IIa.jpg

Ki43-II Late(AH Ver?)
Released:1943 Aug
Engine:Ha-115 1100hp
MaxSpeed:536km/h
Arm:Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By Rubber).
armor protection(13mm) on seat.
ejector exhaust stack(gather type)
possible carry 250kg bomb Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????-~-~       276704515MltCpy2.10 FILL FILLed Sector; ST500DM002-9YN14 (CC4H) S1D5GMZYData Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????eed:555km/h
Arm:Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By Rubber).
armor protection(13mm) on seat.
ejector exhaust stacks
possible carry 250kg bomb x2
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-IIIb.jpg
But picture is Ki43-IIIOtsu(You can find Ho-5 20mm x2, by bulge Back Engine cowl)

Notice:
Ki43-III(kou) is not Prototype, It joined to war, and used by 64Sq and other sq.
Ki43-III(Otsu) is Prototype.

and You can understand Ki43 subtype by this.
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-top1.jpg
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-top2.jpg
« Last Edit: March 12, 2013, 03:36:50 PM by bustr »
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