17 pdr

[68EZPkns]

 Please add a spotters position and fix the zoom so we dont have to either have it zoomed all the way in or not at all.I know this has been asked for before but I would love for that to be in the next patch.Please please please.

[R 105]

 Also, why is it we can't look right left up and back in the 17 pounder like every other gun in the game??????? You should have the same visibility as the 37mm & 88mm guns.

[Volron]

I've wondered why you can't look around in this gun.  I've also wondered why you can ONLY look through the scope.

[bustr]

I've wondered why you can't look around in this gun.  I've also wondered why you can ONLY look through the scope.

When the 17lb had the same view system as the 88 you could hop into F3 and use zoom to see tanks and shoot just like using commander mode from tanks. Offline F3 mode for the 37, 17 and 88 is still there. I think now it's disabled online. I have to admit I used F3 with the 17 to great effect. Now you have to be attentive to your audio rather than looking in all directions on zoom.

A non-firing, non-gun carraige rotating, 360 degree commander mode with zoom as good as tank commander mode would be a nice compromise. There are a few tree limbs and bushes from the guns zoomed sight that look exactly like parts of tanks hiding in the clutter at 17lb max range that I've wasted rounds on. Then got nailed from a hiding tank in another direction.

I have to admit that once you get the ladder graticle figured out in the sight, the 17lb is an attacking tanks nightmare becasue he has to drive at it. Wasn't there a british version of the sight that had range numbers?

Maybe I should publish a dope sheet for it on how to tell range based on the size of the GV against the hash marks. But, then first you need to know what range each hash mark corrisponds to.

Rings on the offline target are 10ft wide. Set the offline target to 1000, 2000, 3000. Then fire at it so you get an explosion just at the ground target convergence. Then keep track of the tick mark and the relationship of the tick mark width to 1 target ring and 2 target rings width.

T34 dimensions that matter.

Length - 6.68 m (21 ft 11 in) <---roughly 2 target ring widths
 
Width - 3.00 m (9 ft 10 in) <---roughly 1 target ring width

[SmokinLoon]

I too think we players should be able to look up and over the armor with the typical zoom, but no icons. 

Also, I have a photo of an actual reticule from a 17 Pdr gun in WWII, and it has numbers on it.  I wonder why HTC's 17 pdr does not???  That goes for both the Firefly and the AT gun. 

[bustr]

Any chance you could post the reticle.

Based on the game's reticle against the offline target and the "+" hash marks below the center hash.

Yards
1000 - one + (+-)
2000 - two + (+-)
3000 - three 1\4 +
4000 - four 1\2 +
5000 - Lift the bottom of the sight picture the equivalent of 90 feet@5000yds.

The hash marks are setup to allow you to range a 20ft+- long tank at these distances.

[BaldEagl]

When the 17lb had the same view system as the 88 you could hop into F3 and use zoom to see tanks and shoot just like using commander mode from tanks. Offline F3 mode for the 37, 17 and 88 is still there. I think now it's disabled online. I have to admit I used F3 with the 17 to great effect. Now you have to be attentive to your audio rather than looking in all directions on zoom.

A non-firing, non-gun carraige rotating, 360 degree commander mode with zoom as good as tank commander mode would be a nice compromise. There are a few tree limbs and bushes from the guns zoomed sight that look exactly like parts of tanks hiding in the clutter at 17lb max range that I've wasted rounds on. Then got nailed from a hiding tank in another direction.

I have to admit that once you get the ladder graticle figured out in the sight, the 17lb is an attacking tanks nightmare becasue he has to drive at it. Wasn't there a british version of the sight that had range numbers?

Maybe I should publish a dope sheet for it on how to tell range based on the size of the GV against the hash marks. But, then first you need to know what range each hash mark corrisponds to.

Rings on the offline target are 10ft wide. Set the offline target to 1000, 2000, 3000. Then fire at it so you get an explosion just at the ground target convergence. Then keep track of the tick mark and the relationship of the tick mark width to 1 target ring and 2 target rings width.

T34 dimensions that matter.

Length - 6.68 m (21 ft 11 in) <---roughly 2 target ring widths
 
Width - 3.00 m (9 ft 10 in) <---roughly 1 target ring width

Using F3 in the 17 lber was simply a work-around for not being able to turn your head while sitting in the gun.

I don't care about F3 but did they really strap the gunners head to the sight?

Stupidest think I've ever seen HT do and not change.  You can't even see the damn clipboard map while in the gun.

[SmokinLoon]

Any chance you could post the reticle.

Based on the game's reticle against the offline target and the "+" hash marks below the center hash.

Yards
1000 - one + (+-)
2000 - two + (+-)
3000 - three 1\4 +
4000 - four 1\2 +
5000 - Lift the bottom of the sight picture the equivalent of 90 feet@5000yds.

The hash marks are setup to allow you to range a 20ft+- long tank at these distances.

The above picture is from a Firefly and it is NOT the same sight used on the 17 Pdr AT gun as I originally thought.  The 76mm Q.F. 17 Pdr Mk.IV L/55 used the No.43 x 3 L Mk.I (3x only), while the Firefly used the No.43 x 3 ML Mk.III/I sight (variable 3X or 6X).  I'm not having much luck finding any more concrete information as to the differences.  FWIW, the Achilles and Archer both used the older Mk I sight (3X only).  It was the Firefly and Comet that used the newer and variable Mk III/I sight.

The sight we have on the 17 Pdr in AH is gratuitously in our favor.  I wish HTC would reduce its zoom down to 3X, give it the proper sight (straight cross-hairs, not graduated), and maybe give it a boost in traverse rate seeing as how the guns are automatically pointing north (on most maps).  Me thinks a 5 man crew could have been able to traverse it a wee bit faster than it currently does.  Also, I'd like to think there would be a way for the gunner to lift his head up and over the shield.  I know we used to be able to but the bad thing about that was the icons of the enemy gv's were visible.  Too easy.    

btw... here is where I got the picture.  FWIW, that forum/thread is very informative as it gives some insight as to what the differences were in aiming the Firefly vs the 17 pdr AT gun.    
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?17359-17-pdr-gun-sight

[kvuo75]

I don't care about F3 but did they really strap the gunners head to the sight?

Stupidest think I've ever seen HT do and not change. 

yes they did, some time back. it was around the time of the big GV update, if i remember right..  I know the default originally was like you were standing behind the gun, then you'd jump to the sight (which had the old style reticle like the old tanks, with range markings)

[SmokinLoon]

yes they did, some time back. it was around the time of the big GV update, if i remember right..  I know the default originally was like you were standing behind the gun, then you'd jump to the sight (which had the old style reticle like the old tanks, with range markings)

and in that mode we could see the icons of the GV's.  It made things quite easy, imo.  If HTC gave the 17 Pdr the accurate gun sight (3X, no ranging marks), increased the traverse rate, then I maybe.  Otherwise, I think the limitations of being able to only look through the gun sight is warranted.   

[kvuo75]

gv's still show icons from field guns.

i think i am mistaken about the sight it used to had, it had the current sight (not the old red ladder style), but you could zoom...  the zoom and not being able to loook around is what changed.. not having zoom is fine, but not being able to look left or right or behind you  before you start swinging the gun around doesn't make sense.

nevertheless, doesn't matter to me, I can look around from a 37mm and it can kill close gv's just fine.

[Babalonian]

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The above picture is from a Firefly and it is NOT the same sight used on the 17 Pdr AT gun as I originally thought.  The 76mm Q.F. 17 Pdr Mk.IV L/55 used the No.43 x 3 L Mk.I (3x only), while the Firefly used the No.43 x 3 ML Mk.III/I sight (variable 3X or 6X).  I'm not having much luck finding any more concrete information as to the differences.  FWIW, the Achilles and Archer both used the older Mk I sight (3X only).  It was the Firefly and Comet that used the newer and variable Mk III/I sight.

The sight we have on the 17 Pdr in AH is gratuitously in our favor.  I wish HTC would reduce its zoom down to 3X, give it the proper sight (straight cross-hairs, not graduated), and maybe give it a boost in traverse rate seeing as how the guns are automatically pointing north (on most maps).  Me thinks a 5 man crew could have been able to traverse it a wee bit faster than it currently does.  Also, I'd like to think there would be a way for the gunner to lift his head up and over the shield.  I know we used to be able to but the bad thing about that was the icons of the enemy gv's were visible.  Too easy.    

btw... here is where I got the picture.  FWIW, that forum/thread is very informative as it gives some insight as to what the differences were in aiming the Firefly vs the 17 pdr AT gun.    
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?17359-17-pdr-gun-sight

I would love a MG sight like that on the tanks that had them. 

[Volron]

Using F3 in the 17 lber was simply a work-around for not being able to turn your head while sitting in the gun.

I don't care about F3 but did they really strap the gunners head to the sight?

Stupidest think I've ever seen HT do and not change.  You can't even see the damn clipboard map while in the gun.

This, pretty much.

I don't care that it doesn't have F3.  By all means, keep it.  But not being able to look around at all is what bugs me.  That's all I ask.  The ability to look around and to look forward without having to use the scope.

[68EZPkns]

Just want to be able to look around like you would in any other field gun and adjust the zoom in the site.Though a quicker traverse would be nice.

[SmokinLoon]

Just want to be able to look around like you would in any other field gun and adjust the zoom in the site.Though a quicker traverse would be nice.

According to information I've recently found on the 17 Pdr AT gun, they had a straight 3X sight and was not variable.  The sight we currently have in the 17 pdr AT guns is not accurate.  The real deal did NOT have a variable 3X-6X zoom capability and the real deal did NOT have stepped range indicators, it was a fixed cross hair.