n1k vs spit

[Karnak]

Huh.  My experience is that they hit very hard.  Out of memory, against structures, the Hispano is something like 4.10 or 4.15lbs and the Type 99 Model II is 3.90 or 3.95lbs.  The MG151/20 is 3.56lbs and the Ho-5 20mm is 3.40lbs.  That matches up well with my experience with them against airplanes.

[Debrody]

Don't listen to debrody... If you're forcing yourself to only fight in rolling scissors against spits you lose.

Good sir... back in the day, when i was a 109 pilot, i could win every rolling scissors against spits, except against the very best pilots. Now, the top niki flyers could always wipe me out.
I gave exact nummbers - you are only rising you fantasy, experimental stuff.
Pity we couldnt duel. That would have clearly decided who is right and who is just a mouthpiece. Greetings, best wishes, bye.

[Big Rat]

I fly the N1K very similiar to a Hog in a close quarters fight.  I consider it's flaps to be good, it's a more honest stalling aircraft then the F4U.  It's an easy to fly and quite lethal aircraft.  I never had an issue in a rolling fight with one, thought it was quite good at it myself. This is coming from a hog guy, so this should have some weight, as I'm often trying for a rolling fight (hog's bread and butter at close range).  The N1K's main disadvantages are top end speed, diving ability (albeit it's not bad, it's not a blue plane), and high alt performance.  At mid to low alts, it should be respected, especially if you find yourself co-E with one.

Now against a Spit, well depends on which Spit.  Tactics vs a Spit V are different then a Spit XVI.  Again co-E, at low to mid alt, I wouldn't feel disadvantaged in the N1K vs any of the Spit series.

 
BigRat   

[Bruv119]

it is a good match up.  2cmex and busa are the only two niki pilots I can think of that have really got my spit8 thinking dang he busting that thing around.   wingzero was up there but I always seemed to have his number whatever he did.

so on that basis it is entirely possible that when slow with flaps going an aggressive pilot should be able to kill most spitfire pilots in a slow turnfight.

I just don't like it's rolling capabilities in the scissors as debrody alludes to.   It feels very sluggish like the F4U when out of speed.

[Krusty]

Good sir... back in the day, when i was a 109 pilot, i could win every rolling scissors against spits, except against the very best pilots. Now, the top niki flyers could always wipe me out.
I gave exact nummbers - you are only rising you fantasy, experimental stuff.
Pity we couldnt duel. That would have clearly decided who is right and who is just a mouthpiece. Greetings, best wishes, bye.

Oh, please... Insert oldrolleyes here. Your past comments to me have been vile and I have no respect for you, so I would never spend time with you in the DA. Besides that, I find the DA to be the dullest most boring type of fighting, where 99.99999999999999999999% of all fighting forces the fight specifically into rolling scissors that attempt to do nothing but rolling scissors until you die of boredom 10 minutes later. If/when I DA it's with folks I like or respect and to do something specific (not just freestyle rolling scissors).

Perpetual rolling scissors is not a valid fighting style in the fluid MA environment. If you do 1 or 2 rolling scissors and get an kill, congrats! You pulled a move that caught the other guy out of position! If you do it for 10 minutes and neither gains position, you're simply not thinking. In the MA you break off, reposition, re-engage. Hell, in the MA you rarely get the perfect sterile setup that the DA gives you to even enter perpetuating rolling scissors.

I applaud your ability to kill spits in 109s by using their raw engine power. That doesn't have much to do with N1K2s. Neither does rolling scissors dictate a fighter's overall potential or ability.

Your attempt to discredit me only discredits yourself. Your insults only show your true nature.

[LCADolby]

Sorry Krusty, but you have no credibility.

[Debrody]

Good Sir, Krusty, how could a 109 G6 have more raw engine power than any spit except the 1 and 5?
After this, your argument is pointless. You have not seen me flying, you have no idea what i was doing.

One thing i can agree with: MA isnt about close combat, in most of the time. But Nuke asked that, i just tryed to share my very limited experience with him.

Edit: DA and rolling scissors isnt fun? Maybe not for you, but take a look at this:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=522h8uu3f4bd1oiif53gifp994&topic=329313.0
and tell me it isnt...

[bmwgs]

The only Spit I have trouble fighting with the Niki is a Spit V, flown by someone who knows what they are doing.  Low and slow I usually out turn all the other Spits unless I am full of fuel.  When turning with a Spit, flaps and throttle are a must.

Fred

[bozon]

The N1K belongs to a certain category of planes I consider as flying turrets. The Hurri2C also comes to mind. These planes can at any moment point in any direction in the sky and lob 4x20mm at you. With a small turning radius and low stall speeds they appear to a fast fighter as almost stationary, rotating in place to point at you. 90% of the people who fly them, fly them as "point and click" - pointing towards the red icon and pulling the trigger, regardless of aspect or direction, often resulting in a HO if given the brief moment to rotate the turret.

I thus avoid them as much as possible unless they are looking the other way. At least they are "slow" though the Mosquito VI will not escape a N1K without a prolonged use of WEP.

2cmex killed me in his N1K. He did not make me think "OMG look at what N1K can do!", instead he made me go "OMG someone in a N1K knows what he is doing!". I still consider Spits to be a bigger threat, given both are usually not well flown.

[Debrody]

2cmex is much less dangerous once he cant rope-a-dope. Just saying.

[dirtdart]

It seems to me the NiK2 can hold higher angles of attack than the spit at lower speeds. Also, the tail does not get washed out like an F4U. Nuke, generally when I run into spits, I let them blow their energy, then use the ability of the NiK2 to bleed E coupled with the fowler flaps to ease in behind them. It has a great rudder and between getting sideways and dropping flaps at the same time, seems to work. That is if the guy pulls a tight turn. The key as you know in most planes is throttle management and finding that sweet spot where you have enough airflow to keep your controls responsive.

As far as the rope, that is the NiK2's best move against a less experienced pilot. Because the engine is good and the flaps are great, as other airplanes start to get unmanageable in the vert, you still have great control authority.

I try to run leave the flaps in until I either need to bleed E or I need the extra lift to bring the plane around the top of a loop at low speeds.

I love the plane, it is generally my #1 ride, emergency orange of course.

disclaimer*** for all you keyboard fighter jocks... these are descriptions, to the best of my ability to articulate what I do.....

[ACE]

2cmex is much less dangerous once he cant rope-a-dope. Just saying.

If that is his plane's strong set then why can't he do it?  It is like telling a spit pilot not to turn lol..

[Debrody]

If that is his plane's strong set then why can't he do it?  It is like telling a spit pilot not to turn lol..

My dear friend, like the niki cant completely outmaneuver a 109G in every single aspect? For me, playing for that much safety in a way superior ride, is just the total lack of fantasy.

[ACE]

My dear friend, like the niki cant completely outmaneuver a 109G in every single aspect? For me, playing for that much safety in a way superior ride, is just the total lack of fantasy.

Friend, do not put yourself in the position to be rope a doped as you call it..  Conserve a little more E while you are turning with him and follow him up into the climb and there you have it. 

[jd]

2cmex is much less dangerous once he cant rope-a-dope. Just saying.

If you think that's his only set skills your sadly mistaken. He's as good as any in anything.