Author Topic: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(  (Read 14875 times)

Offline Letalis

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #195 on: May 08, 2013, 01:18:37 AM »
I recently heard of a bank robbery gone wrong in Belgium.  A car chase ensued and shortly before capture, the robbers dumped 1 million Euro out the window on a busy street.  Cops recovered 450k Euro the first day.  Locals coughed up another 60k over the next 3 days.  Almost half still missing.  :uhoh  The Mayor of the town has asked his people to do the right thing, but the only thing that has ensued is public debate over the morality of simply keeping money found on the street as the result of a bank robbery.  (What. The. #$%#!????)  And I thought America was sad.  Zero moral compass (aka "idiocy") combined with an incentive to ignore the greater good is a very bad combination.  

Defense of said "farming" is almost as bad as the original crime.  The last thing anyone wants is to be shot down by some classless A-hole in a 262 who cheated the system to get his grubby paws on it.  If it weren't for that sole possibility, I might actually feel pity for the hours spent farming the perks.  The nature of right and wrong does not change simply because there is a router and ISP involved.  People are sitting at the other end of every kill, and that is why cheating needs to be taken seriously, even in cartoon land.  It is sad that there has been any debate on this subject, much less no clear corrective action.  To tolerate such behavior is to devalue the product delivered to everyone else who pays their 15 bucks; that is a danger deserving respect from a business perspective.

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Sling some "COAD" that awards exactly zero, yes, ZERO (as in the number between -1 and +1, the number you just don't divide by) perks for any kills of players who constitute >5% of total player kills.  FIXED.

OUT.  :salute

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #196 on: May 08, 2013, 01:32:33 AM »
So if I log in at us worst hours first time
that your, and I kill
20 peeps, majority being the same
dedicated upper, you dint want me
to
have perks?
 :aokl take it  :D

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #197 on: May 08, 2013, 01:59:16 AM »
So it seems ArchieD is still in Vandals Squad...666thBarbariansfg ,
with these folks.
airstud    
BippeeII    Chump
Dan6    Fosterb
HotRod1    twoshay
VANDALS

Do you guys approve of it...c`mon ,
what say you..




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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #198 on: May 08, 2013, 02:18:33 AM »
Potentially good reputation being trashed by the actions of one and inaction of a leader?
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #199 on: May 08, 2013, 03:26:22 AM »
So it seems ArchieD is still in Vandals Squad...666thBarbariansfg ,
with these folks.
airstud    
BippeeII    Chump
Dan6    Fosterb
HotRod1    twoshay
VANDALS

Do you guys approve of it...c`mon ,
what say you..


Well I don't care about perks. I don't care about points. I don't care about rank. I don't care about achievements. I do care about HTC getting mo' money and growing. So not only do I approve of it, I encourage it. I hope many more players open multiple accounts.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #200 on: May 08, 2013, 04:45:23 AM »
Well the problem with this:

... I do care about HTC getting mo' money and growing. So not only do I approve of it, I encourage it. I hope many more players open multiple accounts.

... is this:

... Frankly, If he's getting an extra $15 from ArchieD and turns a blind eye he doesn't need mine and I'll stop giving it to him.

The effect isnt to increase HTC's revenue, just to replace players with integrity by players with none.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #201 on: May 08, 2013, 04:53:31 AM »
Yep RTHolmes, can't fix stupid. Nerds will be nerds. It appears a lot of players DO give a hoot about score/rank/perks/achievements, contrary to what most of them say. They're outing themselves as nerds.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #202 on: May 08, 2013, 05:02:52 AM »
you missed my point, allowing games to be taken over by cheaters kills the game.

DayZ mod is an excellent example - rampant hacking has reduced the number of players on public servers by 90% in the space of 6 months. no players = no revenue = no game.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #203 on: May 08, 2013, 05:09:36 AM »
you missed my point, allowing games to be taken over by cheaters kills the game.

DayZ mod is an excellent example - rampant hacking has reduced the number of players on public servers by 90% in the space of 6 months. no players = no revenue = no game.

You fail to bring up that hackers in DayZ are doing things like instantly killing everyone on the map.

That is slightly more than shade vulching to fly perk planes.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #204 on: May 08, 2013, 05:20:06 AM »
sure its a very extreme example, but the principle is the same.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #205 on: May 08, 2013, 05:34:53 AM »
Cheating means that you're breaking the rules of the game. Since there are no rules against vulching shades, I guess the principle isn't the same at all.

By the way how does it kill the game for players who aren't big enough nerds to give a damn about score/perks/rank/achievements?

Did nerds using multiple accounts to power level alts in other online games kill those games? No, if anything it helped. And the tron suit clad Wilford Brimleys squeaked and moaned there too. There's always going to be malcontents and snitches, if we start catering to them that will surely kill the game.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #206 on: May 08, 2013, 07:33:48 AM »
Well I don't care about perks. I don't care about points. I don't care about rank. I don't care about achievements. I do care about HTC getting mo' money and growing. So not only do I approve of it, I encourage it. I hope many more players open multiple accounts.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #207 on: May 08, 2013, 08:19:26 AM »
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The nature of right and wrong does not change simply because there is a router and ISP involved.
-What he said.

Everybody knows it's wrong (unless they are born without a moral compass).  HTC ignores it and Devil's Advocates/Griefers Inc. are defending it.  It doesn't affect me one iota, except that I know it is wrong and reserve the right to expose tards for what they are.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #208 on: May 08, 2013, 08:30:53 AM »
Cheating means that you're breaking the rules of the game. Since there are no rules against vulching shades, I guess the principle isn't the same at all.

Oh ok... this is a court of law, and if there's no code section specifically pointing to a violation, we must acquit!   :rolleyes:

No.  It's already been mentioned several times in several threads that the historic course of action from HTC was a wipe of perks and stats.  This hasn't been disputed by anyone I saw.  If there's a change in policy, we haven't heard directly from HTC, but your inference is their silence speaks volumes more than their track record.  Wait for it...  :rolleyes:

But, lets just assume that you're right.  HTC has changed it's mind and HiTech really does <3 shade vulchers.  The hundreds (thousands?) of other players who have an opinion as to right and wrong don't matter?  One mo time...  :rolleyes:

By the way how does it kill the game for players who aren't big enough nerds to give a damn about score/perks/rank/achievements?

For scores and achievements, it's little more than lameness of the highest order that doesn't impact gameplay.  On those  you technically have a point, but it's still silly and lame.  If you like to champion silly and lame behavior, that's cool.  Just be prepared for others to disagree.

Perks on the other hand are not vanity.  They are in game cash for all intents and purpose.  Gaining perks in any way other than the prescribed manner (legit combat) is cheating the system.  Cheating the system with perks can and will lead to more frequent occurrence of perk planes, which will tip the balance of power.  Good luck making the argument that a  the Tempest, 262, -4, C-Hog, etc., aren't unbalancing planes.   

Did nerds using multiple accounts to power level alts in other online games kill those games? No, if anything it helped. And the tron suit clad Wilford Brimleys squeaked and moaned there too. There's always going to be malcontents and snitches, if we start catering to them that will surely kill the game.

Oh ffs... tell me you sampled 1000 multiplayer games for the last ten years to come up with this conclusion.  For a fourth time...  :rolleyes:

If you didn't, you're just making a guess, and an illogical one at that.  You're assuming that people, when faced with a choice, somewhat prefer to play games where there's cheating going on simply because this cheating brings in more accounts thereby bringing in more money to the developer, who will in turn improve a game that is flawed at the core because people circumvent mechanisms by cheating.

Yeah dude... I wanna play that game.   :rolleyes:
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #209 on: May 08, 2013, 09:54:19 AM »
It would be quite easy to flag potential violators in the server logs and quickly deal with them.

I agree with BiP.  I currently have about a week to decide if I am willing to continue to support HT with my $15/mo. while he lets this continue although I'll probably give it one more month.  Frankly, If he's getting an extra $15 from ArchieD and turns a blind eye he doesn't need mine and I'll stop giving it to him.

you'd realy cancel over this? I think it's lame, and that some kind of solution shoul dbe investigated/deployed. But I'd never quit over it.
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