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Offline Stoliman

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #180 on: May 06, 2013, 12:33:20 PM »
I guess this means that HiTech really doesn't give a damn.  Shame because more people are going to do it now and you'll see the game play decline as a result.

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I could not agree more.

So many questions that are posed in these forums deal with how HTC creates the game - their intellectual property, in other words.  In no way should they release that as it would undermine their enterprise.

However, this is a question of game policy, and there is a difference.  While we as players can debate the ethics of this act or that HTC would get multiple account payments from this, a statement of policy from HTC on this would go a long way.  Personally I find it unacceptable for all the reasons outlined elsewhere in this thread.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #181 on: May 06, 2013, 02:00:31 PM »
Apparently shades are not in vogue anymore since 3 players from the Raw Prawns have almost 1200 kills of each other in Mid War. For an arena that, on average, has only 12 or so players logged at one time. I know they are not shades.

Caught 2 of them and called them cheaters, just got laughed at since it seems there isn't any consequence to this behavior.

 I've been playing AH for only 1 year and think it's the best in so many ways. I don't care if someone can shoot me down in a perk ride, but I do care if that someone didn't earn those perks in the same manner I had to. Maybe I'm old fashioned. Integrity and ethics STILL important to me.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #182 on: May 06, 2013, 03:00:49 PM »
.... but I do care if that someone didn't earn those perks in the same manner I had to. Maybe I'm old fashioned. Integrity and ethics STILL important to me.

Think about that for a second. You're making a choice. Granted, you're not making the gamey dweeb one ... but you're not being forced to do anything. You may not like it but 'unfair' doesn't come into play.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #183 on: May 07, 2013, 01:14:32 PM »
However, this is a question of game policy, and there is a difference.  While we as players can debate the ethics of this act or that HTC would get multiple account payments from this, a statement of policy from HTC on this would go a long way.  Personally I find it unacceptable for all the reasons outlined elsewhere in this thread.

What say you, HiTech?

I doubt we will see a straightforward reply from HT on this, and not for the monetary reason some suggest.  

The problem with making rules is that there is then an obligation to enforce them.  The problem seems to be that they have enforced it in the past, which has set a precedent.  But even with the community policing and "outing" the shade-vulchers, HTC probably doesn't want to have to spend their time researching and enforcing these cases (nor should they have to spend time doing so).

I do agree that something should be done to close this loophole, however.  I agree with those who think that shade-vulching is a form of cheating, in that it cheats the perk system.  Perk points are in place for a reason, to restrict the use of certain planes in the plane-set and limit their numbers in the arenas.  Shade-vulching (or squad-fratricide) bypasses and abuses that system.  Shooting down your complicit friend in Midwar should not allow you fly better planes in the Late War MA.

An easier way to deal with the issue, without requiring HTC to police and enforce it, is to simply make perks arena specific.  Then shade-vulching in the midwar arena wouldn't enable anyone to fly more 262's (or other perk planes) in the LWMA.  Yes, the shade-vulchers may then move it to the MA, but the higher population of players there would certainly make it harder to do without interference (especially once announced on 200).  

My two cents on the subject...

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #184 on: May 07, 2013, 01:25:34 PM »
Well, The silence from that HTC staff and Seeing the same player doing the same thing tells me all I need to know. I wont be investing in this game until this kind of behavior is dealt with.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #185 on: May 07, 2013, 01:38:09 PM »
I see shade vulchers as those kids who are trust fund babies, or parents are rich AF. You just gotta ignore the nice   
Beemer(or 262) an move on.   What 1 person is doing
is not really affecting the game. 






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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #186 on: May 07, 2013, 02:36:50 PM »

   I think we are the police force. They get outed for their misdeeds and we should treat them accordingly. ArchieD I've seen as a rook and I won't help him or give a check 6 until he pays for his crimes. Ostracize these abusers of the community as much as possible.  :old:
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #187 on: May 07, 2013, 02:39:10 PM »
I see shade vulchers as those kids who are trust fund babies, or parents are rich AF. You just gotta ignore the nice   
Beemer(or 262) an move on.   What 1 person is doing
is not really affecting the game. 

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It is affecting the game though, it affects the integrity of the game.  Once the integrity of a game has been compromised, the game goes down hill.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #188 on: May 07, 2013, 03:27:13 PM »
Then how do we take care of it as a community??
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #189 on: May 07, 2013, 03:58:02 PM »
Kill them in their cheater 262s.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #190 on: May 07, 2013, 04:19:40 PM »
Kill them in their cheater 262s.

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of m pals a 262 and we shall
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #191 on: May 07, 2013, 09:47:39 PM »
It is affecting the game though, it affects the integrity of the game.  Once the integrity of a game has been compromised, the game goes down hill.

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I couldn't agree more.

I was going to come back near the end of this month, but seeing how things seem to be going...That isn't going to happen. Thing about it is, You can say one small thing on 200 and get muted for 7 days. Vulch a shade account and...well...nothing happens.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #192 on: May 07, 2013, 09:54:42 PM »
I couldn't agree more.

I was going to come back near the end of this month, but seeing how things seem to be going...That isn't going to happen. Thing about it is, You can say one small thing on 200 and get muted for 7 days. Vulch a shade account and...well...nothing happens.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #193 on: May 07, 2013, 10:03:06 PM »
The problem with making rules is that there is then an obligation to enforce them.  The problem seems to be that they have enforced it in the past, which has set a precedent.  But even with the community policing and "outing" the shade-vulchers, HTC probably doesn't want to have to spend their time researching and enforcing these cases (nor should they have to spend time doing so).

It would be quite easy to flag potential violators in the server logs and quickly deal with them.

I agree with BiP.  I currently have about a week to decide if I am willing to continue to support HT with my $15/mo. while he lets this continue although I'll probably give it one more month.  Frankly, If he's getting an extra $15 from ArchieD and turns a blind eye he doesn't need mine and I'll stop giving it to him.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #194 on: May 07, 2013, 10:20:41 PM »
Have any staff members commented on this?
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