No Icons for enemy

[seano]

please disable all enemy icons. lets keep it real. ye i know i can disable them myself, but across the board would be awesome and lead to a more real flight experience.

how about a no enemy icon arena? good way to try it out. thank you

[Lusche]

how about a no enemy icon arena? good way to try it out. thank you

we had that for a long time - AvA

[Krusty]

If you want to be legally blind and not even allowed to drive a car, let alone a fighting machine in WW2, then yes turn icons off.

It's nothing more than elitist chest-thumping for an arbitrary handicap made up by a select few and forced upon the masses.

[ScottyK]

ALT+I. Till it says friendly icons only!!! BOING! Wish granted.

[Oldman731]

we had that for a long time - AvA

Still do!

- oldman

[Lusche]

Still do!

Thank you. Wasn't sure about that so I was a bit careful with my wording

[Nr_RaVeN]

please disable all enemy icons. lets keep it real. ye i know i can disable them myself, but across the board would be awesome and lead to a more real flight experience.

how about a no enemy icon arena? good way to try it out. thank you

DO IT IN THE CUSTOM ARENA

No icons at all for both sides is the best!(not recommended for the MA though)....
Its fast passed exiting and takes split second decision making. it's an incredible adrenaline rush..

Disregard the critics
who state it's as if flying legally blind. Their opinions are not based in actual long term experience no mater how radioactive they present..

Both styles are fun in their own right.
Icons on is a blast and a must for the MA.

No icons is equally enjoyable
for a special event or historically based custom arena. Just look at FSO they limit the icon range. no icon is the same idea as limited icons but presented in a more purist form IE same idea but more intense..

Both settings have there place when presented correctly..

Personally I see no enemy icons is a bastardization of the whole concept and view it as a watered down.

what happens with NO enemy icons
is that friendly's tend to gang bang once a bandit is spotted because they can plainly see the friendly's icons chasing something...

With no icons at all on  
you need to communicate with your wing men give headings and call your position.There is a far greater level of uncertainty of who is friend or foe until you get within the 400-800k range.  ]That greatly reduces gang banging and makes evasive ACM far more effective.

With only enemy icons on
it kills that effect and there is far more of a gang bang effect.... not as severe as seen in some arenas were icons are set at 6k though.. Just look at arenas set at 6k icons... you cant argue the gang effect that takes place there were players all the way from 6k out can see whats happening and jump into a fight.

Both styles have merit both are fun.
Taking sides call folks elitist or dweeb is narrow minded and short sited.. do your own thing in a custom arena level the MA as it is its the bread and butter of AH..

The customs is were its at
for settings do it there get a group together and grow a custom server following that's what I'm working on It will be a custom NO icon ARENA called www.fogofwar.info may not be huge or for the masses but it will be fun for those you like that style...

seano you can do the same you can make your own custom arena that has No enemy icons and grow it over time if correctly promoted..

[Karnak]

Disregard the critics
who state it's as if flying legally blind. Their opinions are not based in actual long term experience no mater how radioactive they present.

Actually the claim is based on tested data.  But you're free to continue your delusions.

[Nr_RaVeN]

Actually the claim is based on tested data.  But you're free to continue your delusions.

The only delusion here is that there is only one correct perspective from which  to enjoy this cartoon.

I base my data on first effort and hands one experience in developing new skills beyond the status quo. 

Flying no icons is a developed skill. If you take away the icon your forced to ,learn and develop new ways to see and find cons. To enjoy it you must let go of your current means to view contacts. It actually becomes far more natural feeling. Eventually you will find the icons more of a distraction..

Here is an analogy...
Some like to fly fish.... some like to put a worm on a hook.... both work... Each person derives their own enjoyment from there chosen method...neither is wrong.. To each There own...

There is no reason to  be dogmatic about it

[tmetal]

The only delusion here is that there is only one correct perspective from which  to enjoy this cartoon.

I base my data on first effort and hands one experience in developing new skills beyond the status quo. 

Flying no icons is a developed skill. If you take away the icon your forced to ,learn and develop new ways to see and find cons. To enjoy it you must let go of your current means to view contacts. It actually becomes far more natural feeling. Eventually you will find the icons more of a distraction..

Here is an analogy...
Some like to fly fish.... some like to put a worm on a hook.... both work... Each person derives their own enjoyment from there chosen method...neither is wrong.. To each There own...

There is no reason to  be dogmatic about it

Well stated raven 

[ink]

more realistic would be the icon getting smaller as the enemy gets closer, to the point of a tiny dot above plane once within say 400 yards, text disappearing.....

I understand how Icons from far away replicate the vision of the eye, but once its close the huge Icon goes far beyond real vision, and makes it basically imposable to lose vis on the con.

 icon normal as it is now at distance, as the con gets closer have it get smaller.... at 800 the text disappears....at 400 it becomes a small red dot.
this would be perfect IMO

[seano]

wouldnt hurt to have 1 more arena with the full late war plane set. its not like there are other arenas taking up space. and if perks were counted i garuntee it would not be as dead as ww1, early war and mid war all combined.

[guncrasher]

Flying no icons is a developed skill. If you take away the icon your forced to ,learn and develop new ways to see and find cons.

or new people can cancel their account faster than their 2 week trial expires.  it is already hard enough to fly a plane and with no icons they also have to be flying against ghosts.

I have been to the ava several times and I couldnt tell the planes apart from the shadows and that is when i was within 1k distance.  but if you insist on trying to make player play your game, remember one thing, people vote with their presence in this game and there's a reason why the ava only has a few members at a time while the ma has several hundred.

I keep telling people that the majority of the players dont really come here to learn new skills.  but just to drink a couple of beers, bs with some good friends and tell some exaggerated stories about the big mean plane that got away.


semp

[Nr_RaVeN]

or new people can cancel their account faster than their 2 week trial expires.  it is already hard enough to fly a plane and with no icons they also have to be flying against ghosts.

I have been to the ava several times and I couldnt tell the planes apart from the shadows and that is when i was within 1k distance.  but if you insist on trying to make player play your game, remember one thing, people vote with their presence in this game and there's a reason why the ava only has a few members at a time while the ma has several hundred.

I keep telling people that the majority of the players dont really come here to learn new skills.  but just to drink a couple of beers, bs with some good friends and tell some exaggerated stories about the big mean plane that got away.


semp

no icons inst for new players
Its for players that want something different and new after they have learned the sim..

 That's why I said leave the MA as it is 
Because its HTC bead and butter.

Folks can start out in the MA learn the basics of a sim if that gets "same old same old" they can move to an arena that offers short icon ranges if that gets  boring they can move to a no icon arena like AvA or custom arena... This way there is something for all at any level and you don't exclude anybody..

more realistic would be the icon getting smaller as the enemy gets closer, to the point of a tiny dot above plane once within say 400 yards, text disappearing.....

I understand how Icons from far away replicate the vision of the eye, but once its close the huge Icon goes far beyond real vision, and makes it basically imposable to lose vis on the con.

 icon normal as it is now at distance, as the con gets closer have it get smaller.... at 800 the text disappears....at 400 it becomes a small red dot.
this would be perfect IMO

Ink That is  a great Concept in other Sims you can actually set the icons like that if your hosting an arena under dot commands. It's kind of an intermediate setting.

[jimson]

If you want to be legally blind and not even allowed to drive a car, let alone a fighting machine in WW2, then yes turn icons off.

It's nothing more than elitist chest-thumping for an arbitrary handicap made up by a select few and forced upon the masses.