I win the fight yet I die

[masterjock]

Fix the gv bs please. I'm tired of shooting  the enemy 3, 4, 7 times only to have them turn and shoot me ONCE and I die. Very Frustrating disconcerting to say the lease and its not LAG When i first started giv'ing it was not like this sure we had lag issues but now its become ridiculous so please fix this my K\d would be so much better. thks

[Zacherof]

Up a tank with good frontal armour and point your hull at enemy general local. And try being like 2k away

[Pyro]

If you're not penetrating their armor, the number of hits you get on the other guy won't matter.  If you think you have experienced a bug, please send us a film and we'll debug it.  We'll either find an issue and fix it or tell you why you weren't penetrating your target.

[Torquila]

Pyro, how about disabling the ping sprite for deflections/non penetrations?

The mentality doesn't carry over well when you are used to the sprite representing damage done.

[FLS]

It's a hit sprite not a damage sprite. 

[masterjock]

well thks for the advice but actually im a very experience gv'er and a very good one at that I do recognize the names in here. The game of gv'ing change about a year back or more and has become ridiculous the amount of times I have to shoot someone to get a kill and I'm not the only one many hard core gv'ers are having the same issue. Now its not every tank I shoot at but its close to half and I use only the panther, t3485, tiger1 and 2

[Lusche]

well thks for the advice but actually im a very experience gv'er and a very good one at that I do recognize the names in here. The game of gv'ing change about a year back or more and has become ridiculous the amount of times I have to shoot someone to get a kill and I'm not the only one many hard core gv'ers are having the same issue. Now its not every tank I shoot at but its close to half and I use only the panther, t3485, tiger1 and 2

You really have to do as Pyro said. Be more specific and provide a film. Just vague ranting can't help 'fix' anything. 

[masterjock]

 Lusche lol dont be a jerk this is not a rant! I am directing this to the AHstaff fix it please.

[Lusche]

Lusche lol dont be a jerk this is not a rant! I am directing this to the AHstaff fix it please.

Again: they dont know WHAT to fix precicely if you are just beign so vague instead of supplyign something they actually can work on. Just saying "it's broke, fix it" doesn't help. I have been there and done that. And the bug was found and fixed.

By the way.. I don't have any problems you describe at all.

[Torquila]

It's a hit sprite not a damage sprite.  

Thats not the problem here, fls.

They could use a different sprite for it as well, or maybe use an explosion for non penetrating rounds (like the 30mm).

The problem is there is no visual verification of whats exactly goin on.

[The Fugitive]

Lusche lol dont be a jerk this is not a rant! I am directing this to the AHstaff fix it please.

So when you take your car in for repair you tell the guy "HEY! this doesn't work right, Fix it!". 
They can't fix something if they don't know whats broken. Film your sorties. What HTC can pull from the films is a lot more data than what you see in the films. Also, explain what/how your doing things when the issue appears. Any information you give may be that one little piece of info they need to find the problem.

While I tank very little, I have no trouble. I also see guys like DR7 and batched and many others that spend time in GVs have no trouble either.

Maybe a year of so ago you changed some settings on your computer an so have trouble with it. Just a thought.

[fuzeman]

<snip>  If you think you have experienced a bug, please send us a film and we'll debug it.  We'll either find an issue and fix it or tell you why you weren't penetrating your target.

That's all you need to know, and do, right there. Pyro, who I believe is deeply involved with the game, has told you the proper course of action to rectify the situation.
Where does the problem lie if you do not follow his advice?

[masterjock]

Thks all for your input I cant speak on batched but I play right beside dr7 pretty much all the time and he too is having the same issues fugitive. I am putting film together to send into HT you all are right maybe seeing is believing. Last night I am fighting the bish I have a t34 85 top the berm to my right flank at 1400 yds I take the shot its a direct hit and nothing I fire 7 more times all direct hits only to have the enemy tank turn and in one shot  I was killed. This is only one of many in this battle I was able to record it have not yet view it but its recorded along with all the rest that took place. Like I said earlier I have been at this for along time and when playing daily like I do you become in tune with the game so a year back or so something changed to were now I'm having to shoot 2, 3, 6, even 7 times to get the kills or as I stated get kill. So frustrating even to the point of quiting. I win the fight yet I die. 

[WEZEL]

The T-34-85 is my main ride and if I angel my armor just right you can bounce several rounds off me easy,don't know what your in game name is, but if you fight along side dr7 I probably have bounced rounds off of you  . I just chalk it up to poor shot placement and carry on . Panzer's and T-34's can take a side hit without killing them it all depends on where you hit them, you can bounce rounds off the little Panzer & T-34 all day long if you are more than 1k out and hitting them directly in front . My guess you are just skimming the top of them or hitting them in the lower part of the tracks or wheel. 

I have shot tanks point blank when coming around a berm and they have killed me, I just watch the film and see that I just skipped one off the top plate or side and did not penetrate the armor, films teach you a lot especially about angel of attack in gv's, see ya on the playground   

[SmokinLoon]

Thks all for your input I cant speak on batched but I play right beside dr7 pretty much all the time and he too is having the same issues fugitive. I am putting film together to send into HT you all are right maybe seeing is believing. Last night I am fighting the bish I have a t34 85 top the berm to my right flank at 1400 yds I take the shot its a direct hit and nothing I fire 7 more times all direct hits only to have the enemy tank turn and in one shot  I was killed. This is only one of many in this battle I was able to record it have not yet view it but its recorded along with all the rest that took place. Like I said earlier I have been at this for along time and when playing daily like I do you become in tune with the game so a year back or so something changed to were now I'm having to shoot 2, 3, 6, even 7 times to get the kills or as I stated get kill. So frustrating even to the point of quiting. I win the fight yet I die. 

I've said for years now that range is one trump card and angle of impact is another.  Just because the chart says your tank can defeat the armor on the enemy tank at X range does not mean it is going to.  The slope of the enemy armor and more so the impact angle of the incoming round factor HUGE in to the equation.  THEN, just because you defeat the armor does not mean you're going to destroy the tank.

Try this and you'll see exactly what I mean: Get a squad mate/partner and get in to the dueling arena.  One player up a Panzer IV H and the other a Panther G.  Start at 400 yards apart, facing, and have the Panzer IV H shoot at the frontal armor on the Panther.  Report what happens.  Then, back the ranges off to 800 yards and do the same.  Then, back the ranges off to 1200 yards, then to 1600 yards, then to 2000 yards.  The entire time have the Panzer IV H hit the frontal armor of the Panther.  I know exactly what is going to happen because I've tested this stuff time and time again with every combination of tanks in AH and like I've said for yeas now: range and angle of impact are the two trump cards.  %99 of the time there is no bug, just the armor doing its job.   

If you see something record it, send it in, then HTC will review it, they don't want a game full of bugs. Case in point: I had my Panther destroyed by a M4/76 at 2800 yards by a hit to my front (not possible!).  The round hit the front of the track and near parallel to the hull.  The round penetrated all the through the track and connected with the Panther hull at least %50 of the way way.  Knowing the angle of impact was far too sharp I sent in the footage and guess what: the next patch HTC "fixed a damage bug in the Panther" in the change notes.