CV Commander

[1Cane]

Heck no!

Not only is it so open to abuse that it willl NEVER be implemented, I pay my money same as you do. I pay to fly any plane, anywhere at any time I like. I do not pay so some person who who pays the same as me but plays a slightly differant way can tell me how to play this game! If I want to up of a CV, let me! What makes it your place to say I can or can't.
                                    So in your opinon its ok to launch and spoil a misson for 10to 15 other players!
Also some planes need more time to get to altitude. You stop launches until it is at 'your' optimum launch point, but how about me? I don't fly LW monsters. I fly the D3A or B5N and if a fighter is needed it is the a6m2 or the Sea Hurri. These take more time to get to the same altitude as your f6f. So by stopping me launching, I am now at a disadvantage. I will be lower and not have the altitude advantage that is helpful.
    How many bases have you taken in your single D3a?
Think on all sides and how it will affect all players before making a wish.
    Your right I was thinking only of a co-ordinated attack ,not of the 1 aircraft attack on a base
   I am done on this subject
     

[macleod01]

No, I don't go around spoiling missions, but if I am unaware of a mission and I go to a CV only to find that I can't up from it, I will be annoyed. I like to fly when and where I like. i don't like being limited. One of the main reasons I hate War Thunder. Tried it and was told 'you can only fly such and such a plane'. If I pay money, I want to fly what I like.

How many bases have I taken in my D3A? None, they don't carry troops. You could always ask the same about your missions that don't launch a LVT. I guarantee you won't capture a base without a LVT. How much fun do I have in my D3A? A lot! Nothing better than getting planes in that little beauty. And thats what I play for. Fun. not base taking (Though I will join in if I feel like it) not supplying, not GVing. I fly for fun.

You may have been thinking of the coordinated attacks, but how about those that would exploit it? As several people have mentioned, there are people on all countries who would happily abuse this new feature to shut down an attack. I did not make that comment on my behalf.

[1Cane]

How about once misson is posted and you have joiners there would be a warning in hanger " MISSON LAUNCH in X- minutes,Please dont launch untill misson does"
You then would have option of being a team player or a Lone Wolf.

[earl1937]

How about once misson is posted and you have joiners there would be a warning in hanger " MISSON LAUNCH in X- minutes,Please dont launch untill misson does"
You then would have option of being a team player or a Lone Wolf.

Another instance of "No strategies" in the Game! To many guys which can't seem to find anything to do but screw up a hour or two worth of prep for a CV mission. Of course as some point out, its their 15.00 and they can darn well do what they like. Anothe instance of the "tail wagging the dog". Who knows, maybe when some these guys will grad from the 4th grade, they'll have a little more respect for the game! I don't agree with the lowest ranked player haveing the ability to take command of a CV when you have a mission posted. Once a mission is posted, who ever posted the mish should have "complete" control over the CV until mish launch. You could put a 30 min time limit on the mish time. Of course its hard to make a "rock" unstand!

[macleod01]

Another instance of "No strategies" in the Game! To many guys which can't seem to find anything to do but screw up a hour or two worth of prep for a CV mission. Of course as some point out, its their 15.00 and they can darn well do what they like. Anothe instance of the "tail wagging the dog". Who knows, maybe when some these guys will grad from the 4th grade, they'll have a little more respect for the game! I don't agree with the lowest ranked player haveing the ability to take command of a CV when you have a mission posted. Once a mission is posted, who ever posted the mish should have "complete" control over the CV until mish launch. You could put a 30 min time limit on the mish time. Of course its hard to make a "rock" unstand!

Earl,

Let me just say that I am one of those people that think 'I pay the money, let me do what I like'.

Having said that I still count myself as a team player and will not go out of my way to reveal a mission that is long in the planning. I do not take particular notice of Country channel as 90% of the time it has nothing to do with me or the area I am in.

however if a notice popped up saying that a mission was going to to launch from the CV in so many minutes, I would not up as I understand the work that goes into planning a mission and executing it properly.

But you must understand how such a system as closing down a CV could be misused and abused by those who actively try to disrupt the game. Per my comments above, a wish should be well thought out and attention should be payed about how it could possibly be misused.

Also if there was no notice as to the reason I can not take off on CV, I would be really annoyed. I play this game to fly what I like, when I like, where I like and if I'm not allowed to do so, there had better be a good reason. In my opinion, a mission about to launch is a good enough reason. Is it for everyone else though? We all pay the same, at what point does one person gain more power to govern the gameplay than anyone else, which is what allowing someone to dictate where we fly is doing.

I hope you understand my views on this and the reasons why I am against this wish being granted.

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What are you guys talking about?
I can remember that in days of WB  my squad's commander told us that if some moron ruins your mission then it is not his fault but yours. It is you who fu#$ed up your mission by bad planning/executing.

[Pand]

Maybe this isn't all bad if we tweak it a little,

The top ranking person can lock down cv operations to get it into position; however, there is an automatic fail-safe that, regardless of lock, if there is an enemy in the DAR ring (ie causing the CV to flash), anyone may bypass the lock and launch anyway because the CV group is in potential danger.

This solves the problem of people ruining a surprise attack (which in most cases are not intentionally doing so), as well as limiting people from not being able to defend.

 

[Karnak]

Maybe this isn't all bad if we tweak it a little,

The top ranking person can lock down cv operations to get it into position; however, there is an automatic fail-safe that, regardless of lock, if there is an enemy in the DAR ring (ie causing the CV to flash), anyone may bypass the lock and launch anyway because the CV group is in potential danger.

This solves the problem of people ruining a surprise attack (which in most cases are not intentionally doing so), as well as limiting people from not being able to defend.

 

Useless.  Bombers at 10k would be dropping on the CV before even an F4U-4 could intercept them.

[Devonai]

Here are my ideas:

1. The CV is locked down for 5-10 minutes before a mission launch.

2. The mission must have more than ten joiners.

3. If you try to launch during lockdown, a dialogue box appears that reads, "There is a mission launching from this CV in X minutes.  Do you want to join it?"

4. The CV remains locked on azimuth for one minute after mission launch to ensure all aircraft take off safely.  Then, normal operations resume, and a higher ranking player can take over if they want.

I don't think the attitude of "I want to do whatever I want, whenever I want" is universally valid.  Sometimes hangars or ords are down, so I can't fly exactly the right sortie from exactly the right field.  Sometimes a map enters rotation with no water when I wanted to do CV stuff.  Sometimes there are ENY restrictions.  The nature of the game already restricts our gameplay in many ways.  If you can't wait 5-10 minutes to do your lone wolf CV stuff, then find another CV.

[Pand]

Useless.  Bombers at 10k would be dropping on the CV before even an F4U-4 could intercept them.

9/10 CV groups I have seen get sunk by bombers 10K or less, regardless of the 20+ fighters furballing low with no reach to get to them.

[earl1937]

Earl,

Let me just say that I am one of those people that think 'I pay the money, let me do what I like'.

Having said that I still count myself as a team player and will not go out of my way to reveal a mission that is long in the planning. I do not take particular notice of Country channel as 90% of the time it has nothing to do with me or the area I am in.

however if a notice popped up saying that a mission was going to to launch from the CV in so many minutes, I would not up as I understand the work that goes into planning a mission and executing it properly.

But you must understand how such a system as closing down a CV could be misused and abused by those who actively try to disrupt the game. Per my comments above, a wish should be well thought out and attention should be payed about how it could possibly be misused.

Also if there was no notice as to the reason I can not take off on CV, I would be really annoyed. I play this game to fly what I like, when I like, where I like and if I'm not allowed to do so, there had better be a good reason. In my opinion, a mission about to launch is a good enough reason. Is it for everyone else though? We all pay the same, at what point does one person gain more power to govern the gameplay than anyone else, which is what allowing someone to dictate where we fly is doing.

I hope you understand my views on this and the reasons why I am against this wish being granted.

I understand your post completely sir, and no disrespect was meant for you or any other person that flies in this game. All I ask for is once I post a mission from a CV, which if I remember correctly is no more than 12 minutes, I should have control over that CV until after the mish launches! I don't think that is an unreasonable request! If I post a mission from a fixed land base, no one can come into and change that mission, until I launch! Why should the CV be any different?

[macleod01]

The major differance as far as I am aware earl (And I don't know a lot so I may be wrong on this) is that creating a mission to launch from a land base does not give you control to stop all flight operations at that base, which is what is being suggested. If we are going to go with your quote 'Why should the CV be any differant?' then I could also say that if you can not suspend flight operations on a land base, why should a CV be any differant?

As I mentioned, I believe that if a mission is posted then maybe a work around could be arranged and agreed upon. I do not like spoiling someone elses game (Unless that person has a red icon and is within 6K of me ) and so I will not diliberatly up if I know a mission is about to take place. Unlike a lot of people in this game, I still count myself as having a bit of class and honour and respect.

However I do not agree with the ability to shut down a CV whenever they like. I'm sure you can see how this would be sorely abused and I think we can both agree that neither of us wants to see anything added to the game that can and will be abused to ruin a fight or mission. I'm sure you would be very annoyed if after your 5 minutes of grace, someone shut down the CV you were using to launch a mission. Your planes are airborne but can not respawn. What will become of you mission if you can not get more planes back into the fight?

I think I have made my point as to where my objections are for this wish.

[kvuo75]

OP, and earl...

I assume you both agree with me that  the base should flash when being shelled with 8" guns from the cruiser.. correct?

[earl1937]

OP, and earl...

I assume you both agree with me that  the base should flash when being shelled with 8" guns from the cruiser.. correct?

I agree on the 8 inch guns! However, I did not make myself clear about flight ops from carrier! What I would like is after posting mission, no moron can come in, sit on the deck, go to F3 and F8, and as your mish spawns out on deck, he proceeds to change the heading of the CV, results in a lot of crashes. I have seen this happen twice, once with a guy airborne and another time, his aircraft on deck. That gentleman, is BS and should not be allowed. Sure, I might get irritated at someone launching prior to mish launch, but as been pointed out, its their 15.00 bucks. What I get irritated about is changing the CV heading just as you begin to launch. This crap about the lowest ranked pilot having command priority is something else that needs to be changed. It ought to be first come, first in command, with a 15 min time limit on his command status.

[macleod01]

I agree on the 8 inch guns! However, I did not make myself clear about flight ops from carrier! What I would like is after posting mission, no moron can come in, sit on the deck, go to F3 and F8, and as your mish spawns out on deck, he proceeds to change the heading of the CV, results in a lot of crashes. I have seen this happen twice, once with a guy airborne and another time, his aircraft on deck. That gentleman, is BS and should not be allowed. Sure, I might get irritated at someone launching prior to mish launch, but as been pointed out, its their 15.00 bucks. What I get irritated about is changing the CV heading just as you begin to launch. This crap about the lowest ranked pilot having command priority is something else that needs to be changed. It ought to be first come, first in command, with a 15 min time limit on his command status.

Now that you have posted your reason for trying to support this wish I understand you. I agree that it is very bad sport to change the CV just as a mission is launching, and in that I will say that I agree that the mission poster of a CV mission should have command without rival for a small amount of time. However this is only in heading, not in ability to launch from said carrier. I don not believe that ANYONE should have that power, other than HT or staff.

But I do agree on your point Earl