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Offline -error

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new joy... stick
« on: April 24, 2013, 01:57:37 AM »
Hello.

Recently I began to think about replacing my very old Saitek Cyber Evo which dates back to 2005. As it has its 8th birthday this year it has pretty large free play in its handle and pots noise.
So I'm going to upgrade to some HOTAS system and seeking advice on that.
Going back to 2000th I remember that CH system was top notch at that time. Is it still true and CH products are way to go? I'm currently looking at Fighter Stick+Pro Throttle+Pro pedals.
Or is it better to stick to Saitek X52pro + Saitek Combat Rudder pedals?

Or is it better to go cheap and buy Logitech Extreme 3D pro? Though I always didn't like stiff logitechs and I'd like to have to try fly almost as in reality with pedals.

Any suggestion would be great.

PS. OMG. I just realized that it is almost 10 years gone in virtual skies. And I still can't shoot enemy planes properly. :-)
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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013, 03:47:10 AM »
There's been a gazillion opinions about CH being either the best money can buy or the opposite. My experience about their products is that they don't fit my hand out of the box. For what I've heard and read, each of the high end Hotas systems have had more or less serious issues with some users while others have been  totally satisfied for years.

Speaking of cheap sticks, Logitech Extreme 3d pro fits most hands. Heavy users say they don't last too long, but I've been using them for several years without problems. I must admit my flying hours aren't causing marital problems, but on the other hand I also use the stick gently without crushing the stick beyond its limits and back. Read on, good alternatives follow!

If you like the Logitech touch but would like a Hotas, the Thrustmaster T-flight Hotas X is very nice for the price, about $50. The parts are detachable with a 3 ft cable in between. The stick is twisty and the stiffness is adjustable. Alternatively you can choose to use a rocker on the throttle for rudder.



If you want the most accurate inexpensive stick available, the Thrustmaster t-16000m is your choice. Again, fits most hands well. Heck, it comes with adjustment parts for lefties, too! It's equipped with HAL sensors and the resolution of the stick is incredible (hence the type 16000). The movements are large and smooth, the centering is noticeable but has only a small threshold. Oh, and the price: below $50. No wonder it has been praised on this forum, just check the posts for the last half a year or so.

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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2013, 11:50:49 AM »
Thanks for input, Bizman.

I was using TM Top Gun Fox 2 Pro USB prior to getting Saitek and was disappointed by its durability. After couple of years of mild usage pots became absolutely unusable.
So TM Hostas X (being the rebranded TopGun Afterburner II) is no-go for me. As for t-16000m I saw many disapproval in "our internets".

Therefore I'm more interested in HOTAS systems now and "cheapo" sticks are last resort for me.
I'd like to hear opinions of TM users. How do their devices fare?
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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2013, 01:12:23 PM »
I have been using a TopGun Afterburner II for some years now without any problems. I must admit, though, that I felt a little nervous after the first sessions: The stick part felt like it would break apart soon. But it didn't, maybe I just tried to move it beyond its limits. Can't really tell if the movement range is narrower in it than was in the Logi Extr 3d pro I had before that. For almost a year now I've been using only the throttle part, doing the flying on a T-16000m.

I'm a bit surprised to read that you've found disapprovals of the T-16000m. Among the AH community it seems increasingly popular without complaints. In comparison all of the expensive Hotas systems have got their share on this forum.
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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2013, 01:58:23 PM »
i have a t-flight hotas x stick that is as solid as it was when i bought it a few years ago. a friend has one that is older and it's still going strong. i don't think it's a "rebranded" top gun...at least as far as the internals are concerned.

if there is a question in your mind though, you can't go wrong with a ch setup.
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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2013, 03:59:25 PM »
Did I say TM? OMG.
I'd like to hear about CH.

Also, read a lot nice comments about this beauty

What about it?
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2013, 05:00:38 PM »
If you already know the answer why are you asking? CH lasts forever, or ten years minimum (so far). I'm at the eight year mark on my joystick, so plenty of time to save for the next one. Rudders at six years, throttle currently at thirteen, throttle quadrant at seven. . .
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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2013, 05:46:16 PM »
I really like my Saitek X52 - bought before Madcatz took them over.  Used a self powered usb hub from day one and never had calibration issues.  I originally used a Sidewinder 3d Pro for Air warrior.  Liked that one as well.  I think you can still get one of those on ebay.   I'm also not very good, have smaller hands (which I have heard is an issue with CH) and am not rough on equipment.  Having read about sticks over the years, it comes down to personal preference.  My Saitek has lasted for over 4 years now without a hiccup.  Others can't get them to work out of the box.  A lot swear by CH.  Some have had problems with them.  You pay your money and take your choice.

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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2013, 09:35:05 PM »
At 8 years and some change my CH suite is going strong.  The 8-way hat on the Fighterstick has a bit of a hitch on the down position, but since I use TrackIR I don't notice it.  There is no noticeable spiking or slop at the middle of the stick or pedals and the throttle works as good as the day it came out of the box.  Should one of them die irreparably I will buy a CH product to replace it..

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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2013, 10:02:32 PM »
ch has as many problems as other sticks.  the first one I got had to return it and the second one ended under a 20 ton slab of steel after getting frustrated with it.  I am on my 3rd stick and only because it was given to me used.  it loses calibration often.

I miss my old x-52 had it for 2 years with no problem.  I gave it away when I got my second awesome ch stick that lasts forever.

the funny thing is that I abused the heck out of my x52 just so it would break to have an excuse to buy a ch fighterstick.  it never stopped working  :rofl.

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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2013, 05:59:17 AM »
My Microsoft Precision Pro I twisty stick still works like new after 10+ years of use (I think I bought it some time 1998). Optical pots FTW! Zero spiking, never loses calibration.

Unfortunately you can't get them new for the past 10 years either.
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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2013, 02:53:05 PM »
original FPH's fly CH.   nuff said.  :D
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2013, 02:56:56 PM »
original FPH's fly CH.   nuff said.  :D
Pardon me, but who are FPH?
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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2013, 04:45:03 PM »
Don't even go there...you don't wanna know.

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Re: new joy... stick
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2013, 11:10:34 AM »
People with old enough x52 pro, could you tell whether your stick developed "slack" in center position and how big is it? Is metal plate of any help?
My Evo swings for about 10mm in center left and right and about 5-7 mm back and forth.
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