SDKFZ 251 with the 75mm cannon

[Dragon Tamer]

I captured a base with an SDKFZ yesterday, much to the dismay of the pilots trying to strafe me. The view out of it sucks, and it is slower but the extra armor allowed me to drive right up to the map room (surrounded by friendly wirbs) and drop the 3 troops needed to capture the base.

+1 for the big a#$ gun!

[Chalenge]

I would love to see more of these so we can kill them more often.

+1

[Zacherof]

Hmmm.  Maybe I'll spend some time trying to get a kill in one tonight, and conversely provide kills for those in need.  I can't fly as my desk is still in pieces...

scotch?

[Karnak]

scotch?

Hmmm?


Well, I did one sortie in it.  I am sorry, but it is horrible.  The visibility out of it is dreadful.  I can see the advantages when in situations with a lot of infantry combat, but against airplanes it just means you can't see the things that can all kill you.

[Tank-Ace]

Slap a 75mm on it, and it would be the lemming from hell. I suspect it would be second only to the M18 in terms of pissing off perk tanks.


And there would be no end to the screams and crying if it got 3x 20mm's  .

[Karnak]

And there would be no end to the screams and crying if it got 3x 20mm's  .

Why?  Wirbelwind would still get almost all of the use and would be a bigger threat.

I'd like it to get both the 75mm cannon and the three 20mm cannon options.

[Tank-Ace]

Why?  Wirbelwind would still get almost all of the use and would be a bigger threat.

I'd like it to get both the 75mm cannon and the three 20mm cannon options.

Think about it, they're much smaller targets than a wirblwind, and are more mobile once seen. Additonally, they can hide in undestroyed barns. So if spotted, one would need a bomb to have a good chance of getting him while under cover.

Second, they can keep up with any tank, and are much easier to keep under cover from other tanks. Thus they can keep closer to the front line, and cover just about any area where there would be GV's.

[Butcher]

Slap a 75mm on it, and it would be the lemming from hell. I suspect it would be second only to the M18 in terms of pissing off perk tanks.


And there would be no end to the screams and crying if it got 3x 20mm's  .

Halftrack does 32mph - it would not be second to the M18 - as 99% would still use the T34/85 for its protection and better gun - it would still get used over the M3 - only because its gun is a horrible piece of crap - however its probably at the bottom of the GV use.

Another note - the Sd.Kfz. 251/17 is the standard Anti aircraft variant of the Sdkfz - it had a single 20mm cannon - later on it had a single 37mm mounted gun - the Sd.Kfz. 251/21 was introduced in August of '44 for the need of Anti aircraft vehicles very few were made.
If anything gets added it would be the single 20mm or 37mm version - why? Wirb/Osti were in production when the triple mount was made - allies need a few anti aircraft vehicles first before axis gets any more beefed up then they already are.

[Tank-Ace]

Halftrack does 32mph - it would not be second to the M18 - as 99% would still use the T34/85 for its protection and better gun - it would still get used over the M3 - only because its gun is a horrible piece of crap - however its probably at the bottom of the GV use.

T-34/85 is perked, although not heavily. And its not much harder to see and kill than any other tank.

The SdKfz 251/22 on the other hand, is about as fast, smaller, harder to see, and its free. Aside from the M18, its probably going to be the best vehicle to piss off a Tiger II with.

Another note - the Sd.Kfz. 251/17 is the standard Anti aircraft variant of the Sdkfz - it had a single 20mm cannon - later on it had a single 37mm mounted gun - the Sd.Kfz. 251/21 was introduced in August of '44 for the need of Anti aircraft vehicles very few were made.

And so? Didn't only one squadron of F4U-4's see service? IIRC, weren't there less than 50 ostwinds made?

The Ostwind and Wirblewind didn't go into production much earlier, with the first Mobelwagen (the predecessor of the two) only going into service in April of 1944.

If anything gets added it would be the single 20mm or 37mm version - why? Wirb/Osti were in production when the triple mount was made - allies need a few anti aircraft vehicles first before axis gets any more beefed up then they already are.

So HTC would intentionally leave a vehicle update unfinished, simply because the Allies don't have something to match it, despite all sides having access to it in the MA's?

As for adding the earlier single 20mm or 37mm gun, wouldn't that only exacerbate the issue in special events, considering that the Axis would have a more effective AA platform even earlier than they do now?

Hell, when you actually think about it, adding the single 20mm option would actually be dumber than adding neither.

[Butcher]

Hell, when you actually think about it, adding the single 20mm option would actually be dumber than adding neither.

I can see filling out the Sdkfz line once a bunch of other vehicles get added, but there are a dozen if not more vehicles that deserve a spot in aces high. If you look at the variants of aircraft added in game - none had all their variants completed before another aircraft.
P-47M was recently added for example, I foresee a 190G model in the future - a Spitfire and mossy variant. Also we have a whole line of crappy russian planes to add, for historical accuracy.

Much as I hate the LaGG-3, Mig-3 and Yak-1 on paper, do we really need to finish out the Sdkfz line before touching on other areas of the game? Even if HTC doesn't add more anti aircraft vehicles for the allies - there are still plenty of planes that need to be added.

It will get added eventually, however when you consider what "needs" to be added and what we "want" there needs to be a balance.

/with the He-111 just added, I am quite curious what is the next bomber being considered - I am leaning on the Wellington or some british bomber or the Hudson.

[Tank-Ace]

True, none had all of their variants added all in one sitting. But then its not like we started out with the 109E-4 as our only 109, and then added the 109F. Or started out with the Spit I, and then added the Spit V.


And the logical ones to leave out would be the /9 and the /11, considering that one would be fairly useless with its 37mm, and the other is just an assult gun that would have little to no place in scenarios, and would be less effective than the M3 GMC in the MA's.


But if they're looking to add an AA version, the single 20mm version would be about the least usefull. Its less effective in the MA, its available earlier than the /21, so the Axis will still have more AA vehicles than the Allies in special events for a while.

There are litterally no advantages to leaving out the /21.

[ReVo]

Hmmm?


Well, I did one sortie in it.  I am sorry, but it is horrible.  The visibility out of it is dreadful.  I can see the advantages when in situations with a lot of infantry combat, but against airplanes it just means you can't see the things that can all kill you.

Use the forward MG position and crank the view up as high as it will go and it's not so bad. Makes it a little tricky to shoot stuff though. 

[Karnak]

AH v1.00 Bf109s were the Bf109F-4, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6 and Bf109G-10 (really a K-4, but with 20mm options) and the Spitfires were represented by just the Spitfire Mk IX.

[SmokinLoon]

True, none had all of their variants added all in one sitting. But then its not like we started out with the 109E-4 as our only 109, and then added the 109F. Or started out with the Spit I, and then added the Spit V.

As of late, HTC added the P40's and Hurricanes all in one shot.   

Oh, and I too think adding the /9 (7.5cm Infantry support gun), /22 (triple 20mm AA), and /22 (7.5cm AT gun would be a great idea.  Comparatively, they would be easier to add than adding an completely new gv.  The chassis is complete and most of the upper frame is complete, just the front of the rear compartment would need modeled.  Obviously, the weapon mounts too.  The guns are all already in AH as well.    

[alpini13]

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