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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2013, 01:43:28 PM »
There is no lack of power below 8, 000ft. You're making that up.  It does have dead zones, but sea level is not one of them.
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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2013, 02:08:56 PM »
There is no lack of power below 8, 000ft. You're making that up.  It does have dead zones, but sea level is not one of them.

I'm making up nothing.  It's power is its power but how power translates to quickness and acceleration is what I'm speaking about.  It cannot accelerate like the K4 at sea level because its power to weight is greater than the K4; the Griffon is a much heavier engine along with other physical adjustments that had to be made to accomodate its proper running.  Plus the dual stage super charger didn't kick in until certain alts.

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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2013, 02:26:25 PM »
Youre confusing it, Changeup.
At sea level, the Spit14 does 360-362mph against the Dora's 372-374, thats not a huge difference. The 190 can win the chase though, thanks to its very long lasting wep.
The climb rate is on the Spit14's side, at the maximum of ~4600-5000 feet/min, depending on the fuel load, while the 190 only tops out at 3900-4200. This isnt a huge difference either.
The Spit14 clearly out-accelerates the D9 from 150 to 300 at any alt.
The Spit turns around in 17.5 seconds at sea level, while it takes 20.2 in the Dora. The spit also turns on a smaller circle and has a much slower stall speed, also actually it can open its flaps, reverse and overshoot.
The Dora wins in the roll rate at any speed, dives a lot better and has twice as much ammo. Also feels more steady while aiming (for me).
The 190 stalls more steadily and smoothly, but the point is, the spit doesnt even need to pull that far to completely dominate a 190... true, its not even close to a spit16, but still a turnyer ride than anything whats only nearly as fast.

So... when im screaming into the sea of red, the 190 is my choice, but i highly doubt that in a co-alt 1v1 or 2v2 or 5v5 a group of 190s can ever defeat a group of spit14s.

Actually, the Spit14 is very close to the 109K4. The differences are:
-the guns. A shotgun vs the hizookas, personal preference. In good hands, both can be awesome.
-the Spit is a little bit slower under 28K but the difference is marginal. Climbs a little bit better on wep though.
-the spit has much less wep.
-the spit turns much better in a sustained turn but has worse flaps and stalls a bit strange.
I found everything else to be quite simmilar, even the dive compression is nearly the same.

The jock of all trades is the La7: turns much better than both the K4 or the Spit14, has awesome flaps, hard-hitting guns, isnt compressing up to 500mph+ faster than both (under 10k) and climbs almost as good.
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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2013, 03:50:29 PM »
The jock of all trades is the La7: turns much better than both the K4 or the Spit14, has awesome flaps, hard-hitting guns, isnt compressing up to 500mph+ faster than both (under 10k) and climbs almost as good.

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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2013, 04:06:40 PM »
Don't forget that a Spit14 can't dive that well (or any spits for that matter). In a 109, you get sluggish controls, in a spit, you'll rip your wings off.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2013, 05:48:42 PM »
The Fw190A-8 consistently saw much higher usage than the Fw190A-5. It actually saw much higher usage than one would expect for a flying brick.

One on one A5 kicks any A8 any day, with 4 guns it should kill buffs almost equally good and still.
And a 4gun-hispano Mossie still at ENY 30 ???
Seen Bozon outturn many turny planes in it and a snapshot kills everything, and still it outclimbs and fly away from the A8 at will.

Many in my squad fly the A8 because of the challenge of flying the brick. Hopefully next patch fixes the weight, so it can keep its ENY 20.

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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2013, 07:44:08 PM »
New changes seem about right.  Although I did notice there's now a pretty big gap between the G14 and the K4.  I am certainly no 109 expert, but it would seem to me those two planes should be a bit closer in ENY.  Not a real big deal even if it should be.

Why? The K4 is vastly superior to the G-14. The G-14 a tad slow, and lacks high altitude performance. ENY 25 is about right.
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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2013, 07:56:29 PM »
I think Kappa in a TA152 can beat a spit 14 in a slow turnfight.

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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #53 on: June 04, 2013, 08:04:41 PM »
Why? The K4 is vastly superior to the G-14. The G-14 a tad slow, and lacks high altitude performance. ENY 25 is about right.

Because the difference in ENY seems disproportionate to the difference in performance.   This from a somewhat infrequent 109 driver,  so  YMMV.
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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2013, 08:16:25 PM »
I think Kappa in a TA152 can beat a spit 14 in a slow turnfight.
I have beaten Spit16s on the deck in a D9, full flaps out rolling scissors. It still means nothing as they made more and bigger mistakes than me.
Kappa can fly for sure, but a Kappa in a 152 vs Kappa in a Spit14 is quite predictable  ;)
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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2013, 10:00:58 PM »
how the A8 has a lower eny than an A5 baffles me...and I did my best to show the abilities of the A8.

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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2013, 11:03:50 PM »
how the A8 has a lower eny than an A5 baffles me...and I did my best to show the abilities of the A8.


Quite simple:

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Fw190A-5:    Kills: 2916    Deaths: 2025
Fw190A-8:    Kills: 5559    Deaths: 4898

As I stated earlier, the Fw190A-8 consistently gets much more use than the Fw190A-5.
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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2013, 11:10:44 PM »
so....with some simple math...that I wont do...the K/D of the A5 is greater than that of the A8?

Sure seems simple to me....
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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2013, 11:36:31 PM »
so....with some simple math...that I wont do...the K/D of the A5 is greater than that of the A8?

Sure seems simple to me....
It is, if K/D ratio was all that mattered. Impact on the arena is also a factor, and the Fw190A-8 has more than twice the usage, thus more impact on the arena.  Do you really want to just base it on K/D ratio?  The P-38J will have an ENY 5 and the Spitfire Mk XVI will have an ENY 15 or 20 under that system.
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Re: FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!
« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2013, 12:30:30 AM »
I base it on ability.  A5 is a more able fighter than A8.

Base it on usage alone? 

Why isn't P51 perked?   or spit16?  La7? 

Usage?

I understand it is more than K/D...but A5 is a more capable fighter in MA than A8...typically.  It is a little slower....but turns much more gentle and better.  I feel like I am cheating when flying an A5 compared to A8.
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