FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!

[SmokinLoon]

I just really wish HTC would stop adding "new" new planes, and start fleshing out what we already have.
Split the 190A8 into early and late versions, ditch any uparmored versions, cover armament with Rüstsatz and Umrüst-Bausatz kits.
Add more ordnance options to the F-8; there are many.

I too think the 190A-8 could be "split", it cant be much difference than what the P47D-25 and P47D-40 represent. Right?

The 190F-8 certainly does have more options, it is a shame HTC does not max out the options it is able to model.  The biggest option the 190F-8 is missing is the ability to carry 8/50kg bombs (4 under fuselage and 4 on wings).

[Midway]

I too think the 190A-8 could be "split", it cant be much difference than what the P47D-25 and P47D-40 represent. Right?

The 190F-8 certainly does have more options, it is a shame HTC does not max out the options it is able to model.  The biggest option the 190F-8 is missing is the ability to carry 8/50kg bombs (4 under fuselage and 4 on wings).

What would you do with these little bombs?

[Tank-Ace]

What would you do with these little bombs?

Two can kill a Panzer. And they're more flexible than rockets, even if they have less theoretical maximum damage.

[bozon]

Look at the K/D ratio that perked fighters had for the last decade.  Consistently the Spit XIV stood out for not having a perk plane like K/D ratio.  Even the Ta152 always had better than the Spit XIV before it was unperked all those years ago.  The F4U-1C, F4U-4, Me163, Me262 and Tempest have always demonstrated that they are properly perk planes, props, hairdriers and rockets being irrelevant.  The Spit XIV being unperked in no way moves any of the others towards being unperked.

The tag of "Spit" stands in the way of the Spit14. It is different enough from the rest of them to justify a new name, like the tempest and the typhoon or the 190s and the Ta152. Too many players roll the 14 and fly it completely wrong because they think it is an uber spit - it is an uber not-spit. Also, it is funny when you realize that someone has selected the 14 in the hangar by mistake thinking it is the 9 or 16 that are before/after it in the list. I have many times seen players trying to roll a 14 from a capped field and getting vulched - repeatedly.

The unperking does move the arena into later war because it adds another very fast plane to the roster and makes it impossible to perk the La7/109k/47MN etc. The 14 deserved to get unperked on basis of "fareness" but it pushes the arena in the wrong direction - IMHO. There is a slow upwards speed crawl in the average MA bird. In AH1 a P47D was considered a relatively fast plane as it could outrun the turnier burds like the spits and was only a tad slower than the carrier planes like the F4u. Now the common spits 8/16/14 are faster than the common spits we used to have (the 5/9 even the super 5 we had), we have planes like the KI84, the F4Us got faster with the F4U1A and even the other P47s you encounter are all M/N except the occasional D40 which is used as a bomb truck.

But lets not get carried away, the effective difference will be extremely marginal since this will not convert masses from early to late war planes. Real spit enthusiasts will be found in one spit or another anyway. The noobs will be in the 16 anyway if they choose a spit. The two weekers will be in the 16 due to the higher version number. Those that want speed will be in 109K/La7/P51, not the 14. The 14 is the choice for the few who like to Boom & Zoom++ and that can ignore its "spit" label in how they fly it.

[save]

Yesterday I was run down twice by Spit14, making me turn ( much like a 262 does for runners) for other turny planes to chew me up.

The problem now, much like Bozon said, is you have to treat every single spit in the rear mirror as a spit14, whereas before you could
outrun them spit16. ie you need  alt advantage to survive in a A8 now, pressing up the altitude higher for the 1944 brick.

[Fish42]

Yesterday I was run down twice by Spit14, making me turn ( much like a 262 does for runners) for other turny planes to chew me up.

The problem now, much like Bozon said, is you have to treat every single spit in the rear mirror as a spit14, whereas before you could
outrun them spit16. ie you need  alt advantage to survive in a A8 now, pressing up the altitude higher for the 1944 brick.

Just like you have to treat every 190 like a dora/152, treat every F4U like a -4 or -C, every Tyhp like a Tempest, every 109 Like a K4, Every Pony like a D. I fail to see how this is different? On the deck EVERY one of the planes I just said can run you down faster then a Spit 14 can. And almost everyone of them have a slower sister plane that has the same Icon until 700.

The spit 14 is only <15 mph faster at most alts under 10k vs a Spit 16. On the deck without Wep an A8 will only be 4 mhp slower, and with WEP 10mhp. An A8 though has double the WEP so when the spit runs out in its 5mins, the A8 has 4mins to pull away at around 20 mhp... so in a tail chase the spit would only catch you with a lot more E or started 1.5 or less behind you. otherwise you would simply run it out of WEP and fuel.

[Karnak]

The tag of "Spit" stands in the way of the Spit14. It is different enough from the rest of them to justify a new name, like the tempest and the typhoon or the 190s and the Ta152. Too many players roll the 14 and fly it completely wrong because they think it is an uber spit - it is an uber not-spit. Also, it is funny when you realize that someone has selected the 14 in the hangar by mistake thinking it is the 9 or 16 that are before/after it in the list. I have many times seen players trying to roll a 14 from a capped field and getting vulched - repeatedly.

That argument was used for years to justify the Mk XIV's perk status.  It holds no water that the same argument pointed at the Bf109K-4, La-7 or P-51D does not also hold.

[SmokinLoon]

What would you do with these little bombs?

May I suggest you try using these "small" bombs for anti gv work, de-acking, taking out OBJ (it takes 2), etc.  They get the job done easier than most know with a lot less weight and drag.

Try the La's with their wee little bombs vs gv's.  F4F as well.  ESPECIALLY vs soft armored gv's, they do wonders.  I'm using the Mossi with the 4/250 lb bombs more and more vs g'vs too, the 1000 lbs in weight savings is nice for the quick climb out.

Oh, I think adding the 190F-8 holistically accurate ability to carry 8/50kg bombs would A: add something that AH currently does not have (single engine plane w/ 8 bombs); and B: be used more than one thinks.  The 190F-8 has the ability to take out 4 ord bunkers with the 8/50 kg bombs rather easily (it can use the 12/Pb1 rockets we well).   

[Midway]

May I suggest you try using these "small" bombs for anti gv work, de-acking, taking out OBJ (it takes 2), etc.  They get the job done easier than most know with a lot less weight and drag.

Try the La's with their wee little bombs vs gv's.  F4F as well.  ESPECIALLY vs soft armored gv's, they do wonders.  I'm using the Mossi with the 4/250 lb bombs more and more vs g'vs too, the 1000 lbs in weight savings is nice for the quick climb out.

Oh, I think adding the 190F-8 holistically accurate ability to carry 8/50kg bombs would A: add something that AH currently does not have (single engine plane w/ 8 bombs); and B: be used more than one thinks.  The 190F-8 has the ability to take out 4 ord bunkers with the 8/50 kg bombs rather easily (it can use the 12/Pb1 rockets we well).   

One cannon round takes out an ack gun.  And buildings and several GV types also (m8, m18, wirby, etc) take just a fe cannon rounds.   But I might try it.  Extra weight won't help fighting against air cons though and if cannons can do the job... why bother?

[save]

Just like you have to treat every 190 like a dora/152, treat every F4U like a -4 or -C, every Tyhp like a Tempest, every 109 Like a K4, Every Pony like a D. I fail to see how this is different? On the deck EVERY one of the planes I just said can run you down faster then a Spit 14 can. And almost everyone of them have a slower sister plane that has the same Icon until 700.

The spit 14 is only <15 mph faster at most alts under 10k vs a Spit 16. On the deck without Wep an A8 will only be 4 mhp slower, and with WEP 10mhp. An A8 though has double the WEP so when the spit runs out in its 5mins, the A8 has 4mins to pull away at around 20 mhp... so in a tail chase the spit would only catch you with a lot more E or started 1.5 or less behind you. otherwise you would simply run it out of WEP and fuel.

You only have to get to 600-800 yards out (if your plan was not to overtake it  ), at that distance Hispanos shreds any fighter plane, so in effect you need 2k or more distance.
The la-la's looks like they need 400-600 shooting distance to shoot off horsontal stab, but close in even faster.

[Tank-Ace]

One cannon round takes out an ack gun.  And buildings and several GV types also (m8, m18, wirby, etc) take just a fe cannon rounds.   But I might try it.  Extra weight won't help fighting against air cons though and if cannons can do the job... why bother?

You're in an F8; if you're flying clean, you're doing it wrong. And the 8x bombs would probably be less weight than the 500kg bomb and 12 PB1 rockets.

Besides, the main reasons I want the 190F-8 updates are that it could carry 2x 250kg bombs (and perhaps 1x 250kg bomb on the centerline. There is a severe lack of evidence both for and against). It could also carry a 1000kg bomb centerline, it could carry a torpedo or 280mm air to ground rockets.

The 190 airframe was extremely versatile, and HTC has done a poor job of representing this. The A-5 could also carry 300L drop tanks and a 250kg bomb on the center, instead of just the DT on the center replacing the bomb. But it apparently precluded mounting the MG FF's in the wing.

[Tank-Ace]

You only have to get to 600-800 yards out (if your plan was not to overtake it  ), at that distance Hispanos shreds any fighter plane, so in effect you need 2k or more distance.
The la-la's looks like they need 400-600 shooting distance to shoot off horsontal stab, but close in even faster.

Its worth noting that a light A8 could probably scissor with a Spit 14. Its not like you're completely out of options.

And for that matter, why must you be in an A8? An A5 will smack the crap out of your typical pilot trying to fly a spit 14.

[68ZooM]

You're in an F8; if you're flying clean, you're doing it wrong. And the 8x bombs would probably be less weight than the 500kg bomb and 12 PB1 rockets.

Besides, the main reasons I want the 190F-8 updates are that it could carry 2x 250kg bombs (and perhaps 1x 250kg bomb on the centerline. There is a severe lack of evidence both for and against). It could also carry a 1000kg bomb centerline, it could carry a torpedo or 280mm air to ground rockets.

The 190 airframe was extremely versatile, and HTC has done a poor job of representing this. The A-5 could also carry 300L drop tanks and a 250kg bomb on the center, instead of just the DT on the center replacing the bomb. But it apparently precluded mounting the MG FF's in the wing.

Lol when's the last time you actually flew

[save]

you can outscissor the spit14 one time, if the spit14 has any brain, he will yoyo up and come down again at you guns blazing, since you cannot pullup worth sh*t even with max trim in the A8 you can not follow him anywhere since the A8 has the worst possible E retention in the game, you are out of options except roll at the deck.
Well if you meet the low-time spit14 or any plane that think high yoyo is a new drink, you might have a chance.
Best chance is if you have 350+ mph and can dive to 450, spit lock up in roll.

[Tank-Ace]

you can outscissor the spit14 one time, if the spit14 has any brain, he will yoyo up and come down again at you guns blazing, since you cannot pullup worth sh*t even with max trim in the A8 you can not follow him anywhere since the A8 has the worst possible E retention in the game, you are out of options except roll at the deck.
Well if you meet the low-time spit14 or any plane that think high yoyo is a new drink, you might have a chance.
Best chance is if you have 350+ mph and can dive to 450, spit lock up in roll.

Assuming the first thing you do is roll, yes. But I'm simply saying a light A8 isn't helpless against a Spit 14. And the majority of Spit 14's will be flown relatively poorly, untill it develops its core following.

When he's approaching danger close, flip around, he might maneuver away from what looks like a HO, fearing that you'll be packing 30mm's. And if he doesnt.... well, barrel roll to avoid his guns, and he'll lose more E flipping around than you will with your roll.