Ki-84's Most Absurd Feature

[nrshida]

strange...I have never had pieces come off till 500....maybe you pulled back a bit to hard?

What happens for me Ink is that I can fly up to 450 m.p.h. no problem. Above that I have to be very gentle with my inputs or either the rudder, both elevators or both ailerons pop off and what pops off seems to be a random lottery. At 480 they pop off regardless of being neutral or even trimming out of the dive.

I do not use Combat Trim, I don't know if you do Ink, it's the only significant difference I can think of.


Just as a sidenote the AH Hayate has already stiffened up far before this speed and this is historically accurate.

sooo, to get the achievement of 'landing with no elevators'... up a ki84? or Ar234? B29's also?
Use the Ki-84, other two I know cost too much!

It can be done, no ailerons is easier but it's a bit tedious.

Really Nrshida, I agree that it sux, both at same time, no warning! I'm assuming that HTC did their homework, without bias hopefully!
How else for us to get punished for breaking structurally tested speed limits that were printed in the handbooks?

It's a fair point Franz but happens in AH at a speed that we know the evaluation aircraft exceeded. Since it happens consistently one could argue it is the duty of the pilot to avoid it. I very very seldom do this and usually when chasing an opponent who has dived away. It is a defining feature however and dictates how you fight.

My only concern is that I now believe the AH Hayate is a mongrol of different versions (which is understandable), with certain features intended to pseudo-represent the manufacturing issues especially of the later production models. If that is so it isn't fair to only apply it to this type / nation.

 
Karnak, what does the literature say about the Mosquito losing surfaces?

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What happens for me Ink is that I can fly up to 450 m.p.h. no problem. Above that I have to be very gentle with my inputs or either the rudder, both elevators or both ailerons pop off and what pops off seems to be a random lottery. At 480 they pop off regardless of being neutral or even trimming out of the dive.

I do not use Combat Trim, I don't know if you do Ink, it's the only significant difference I can think of.


Just as a sidenote the AH Hayate has already stiffened up far before this speed and this is historically accurate.


It can be done, no ailerons is easier but it's a bit tedious.


It's a fair point Franz but happens in AH at a speed that we know the evaluation aircraft exceeded. Since it happens consistently one could argue it is the duty of the pilot to avoid it. I very very seldom do this and usually when chasing an opponent who has dived away. It is a defining feature however and dictates how you fight.

My only concern is that I now believe the AH Hayate is a mongrol of different versions (which is understandable), with certain features intended to pseudo-represent the manufacturing issues especially of the later production models. If that is so it isn't fair to only apply it to this type / nation.

 
Karnak, what does the literature say about the Mosquito losing surfaces?

I do leave combat trim on.....never made much of a difference to me..... my elevators are what comes off on their own....and not until 504-505....now thats to say they just pop off  I dont have to pull back...I am sure they would come off sooner if I yanked the stick back.

It seems combat trim on does keep it together for a bit longer.....

honestly though you know as well as I......if you are going above 450 in the KI you are doing it wrong.

[nrshida]

Interesting, I'll do some more testing.

honestly though you know as well as I......if you are going above 450 in the KI you are doing it wrong.

Yup, you are right.

[Franz Von Werra]

I'm not sure if its modeled, but shouldn't parts tearing off have to do with altitude? The air is thinner up there.

Question I ask:  does stuff break at same speed at every alt?
Test with Ki-84? The training arena has fields at different alts - some no actual field but just drops us in the air.

Logical stuff: parts should break at lower speeds at lower alts, and at higher speeds at higher alt?
Microsoft Flightsim: take off in Leer Jet, if hold full throttle at say 1000feet, plane will tear its own engines off almost immediately - get to about 300mph(? not sure been awhile) and the overspeed sounds and lights come on? At 45k alt, we can keep throttle at full all day until the fuel runs out if you like... plane reaches mach .9 about? (1.0 is speed of sound.)  Fast but thin air so parts don't break. Not sure how fast mach .9 is at 45k, been awhile. (not sure of any of these numbers! no quoting me!)
 

[gyrene81]

I'm not sure if its modeled, but shouldn't parts tearing off have to do with altitude? The air is thinner up there.

nope. air density is a part of the equation (as is speed) but not the primary factor.

[pervert]

If the KI84 in Aces High was this way in real life Japan would have easily turned the tables on the USA in the war 

[GScholz]

Demonstrably.

Only insofar as all human engineering is imperfect since humans are imperfect. Despite what they wanted the world to believe they were not supermen. However, they were building jet fighters in forest clearings from substandard materials using basic hand tools while under the constant threat of air attack, so cut them some slack.

[Myg]

Going to have to disagree with this Gscholz. It is entirely possible for humans to do human things perfectly because they are insular actions that although derive substance from sensory information around it, can be perfectly expressed given the right time and circumstances.

Don't confuse the divine aspirations with the practical ones, although the two should be linked, they have strayed from eachother's course long ago; under the very same guise (the two being one).

[GScholz]

True. However, the term "German engineering" does not represent an insular action, but the collective actions of a whole nation, and thus perfection is out of the question.

[Myg]

True. However, the term "German engineering" does not represent an insular action, but the collective actions of a whole nation, and thus perfection is out of the question.

Only given expected time frames.

[Bruv119]

I would like to see the ki-84 re-done though,

See lanc, hurri, yaks etc the new models seem to die when hit with a good burst. 

Many times i've cut a ki 84 and it has soaked rounds like a sponge.   

[GScholz]

Only given expected time frames.

Like a war you mean?

[Myg]

That's absurd GScholz, I mean without expectations. It was satire.

[GScholz]

Satire? What were you trying to denounce or ridicule with your satire?

[Myg]

I am denouncing the idea that perfection can be found through force, war and violence. Only peace and submission can give you that. Whatever is created from war is inherently of war and can only lead to the eventual destruction of the user.

PS: GScholz, I know what you are doing and why, and it would not be wise to wear the costume, because ironically, how does it make you any different?