Bad Crash Dayton Airshow

[eagl]

All i have is a grainy 320p to go on, what looked like opposite aileron input could simply be a video artifact.  Thats why in the other thread i said i am hoping fr higher res video...  if the aileron is with the direction of roll, then i agree, not a stall.  Id also like to be able to discern the elevator positioning.  eagl, could you pm me a link to that better angle?  Im curious to check it out...   sir.

CNN vid:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/topvideos/2013/06/22/dayton-airshow-crash.whio

It stops right before ground impact.

[Sol75]

I went back to the show today... amazing to me, the only acknowledgement of the accident was a brief moment of silence before the opening ceremonies of the show.. I dunno, just seemed to me it should have been mentioned, and/or some sort of tribute flyover made today... maybe thats just me... and maybe they didnt want to dampen the "mood" of today's show.  All in all it was a great show, considering the lack of military support..  apart from yesterday of course.  Got to see a lot of great extreme aerobatics by some of the greats, including Sean D Tucker, and Skip Stewart...  I did miss the roar of the mil jets though.  Hopefully tings will be back to normal for next year's show.  Photos to come.

[Fud]

I just saw a pic of the plane upon impact just before the fireball....sad to see

[Puma44]

After watching the video again, it almost looks like the pilot sensed the airspeed decay and/initial buffet and attempted to quickly roll upright and get the lift vector pointed away from the ground.  With the airspeed possibly too low, the rolling motion resulted in loss of lift, nose drop, and impact.

[boxboy28]

the only two people who will know is Jane and the pilot!  but they died doing what they loved! <S>   unlike Nascar people don't go to an  airshow to see crashes!  and I sure wouldn't have wanted to see that in person,  its hard enough to watch the video!

[Daddkev]

 

[Puma44]

Video of a 2011 airshow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwHVErpsOsU

Same maneuver at 11:10.  Also, note "puffs" of smoke during landing rollout from smoke system.

[Sol75]

Video of a 2011 airshow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwHVErpsOsU

Same maneuver at 11:10.  Also, note "puffs" of smoke during landing rollout from smoke system.

Fair enough, as i said i was just speculating. 

[Randy1]

Was that the first inverted maneuver?  It looked like a stall to me as well.

[Nypsy]

R.I.P.   

[Sol75]

I just pulled in the video from another angle into vegas, and watched it frame by frame.  The elevator clearly moves to command nose up (airframe relative) and the ailerons command a roll in the direciton the aircraft rolled.  This was NOT a stall situation.  I agree with eagl.  Not sure what happened, if the pilot panicked, believed he had enough altitude to roll out, or what not... but I do not believe there was either engine trouble, nor a stall...   Maybe he felt the onset of a stall and did his best to recover?  NTSB says around 6 months to determine cause... so really anything until that time is just guessing..

RIP

[Puma44]

After reviewing the successful maneuver in previous air shows and the incident, it appears the pilot recognized an unacceptable situation and tried to escape.  Looking at the incident video, it's notable that during the roll to inverted, the roll was somewhat sluggish and the nose vectored down vs the cleaner roll to inverted flight in the successful maneuver in the earlier airshow video.