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Offline Patches1

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Unperk the F4U-1C
« on: July 12, 2013, 06:57:20 PM »

With all of the cannon armed aircraft flying around in the MA, and the recent unperking of the Spit14, I am confused to the reason the F4U-1C is still a perked aircraft.
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 07:01:03 PM »
Look back to tours where the Spit XIV was perked and so was the F4U-1C.  Look at their relative use rates and their K/D rates.

Next, look back to the time when the F4U-1C was not perked (the N1K2-J, Fw190A-8 and Typhoon Mk I all existed then as well) and look at the percentage of kills it got.
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 07:10:19 PM »
Also take into consideration the limited environment in which the F4-U is mostly operating: Carrier operations.
It's highly unlikely you will still see a large amount of F-4UD and F6F operating from CV when the 4x Hispano -1C is available.
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 08:00:06 PM »
A chog has 900 rounds of the hardest hitting 20mm guns ingame. And one of the few planes that generally, pilots dont HO in
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 08:02:26 PM »
-1.
In addition to the reasons above, there were only 200 examples of the F4U-1C built.  

In addition, it is my humble opinion that aircraft types which were very rare in RL (especially relative to subvariants of the same type) should be more expensive.

-There is no historical reason the F4U-1C should be more prevalent than the -1,A or D.  For this reason I also have a problem with the prevalence of the P-47M (130 examples) and the Wirblewind (~100 examples).
-As for pragmatic reasons, as stated above, you'd be virtually eliminating very common aircraft for simple gameplay purposes.  
-Aircraft perks are there because of a combination of factors.  The Typhoon is faster but a far inferior dogfighter, the N1K is much slower.  The C-Hog represents a sweet spot and, oh, by the way, it is CV capable.  You don't just eliminate F6F and other Hog models, you take a big bite out of...well, everything else.  
-The C isn't even that expensive!  With all the planes available in this game, it is hard to believe you could ever feel the need to fly a perk ride so much that you'd run out of perkies...


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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 08:09:17 PM »
Quote from: Patches1 on July 12, 2013, 06:57:20 PM
With all of the cannon armed aircraft flying around in the MA, and the recent unperking of the Spit14, I am confused to the reason the F4U-1C is still a perked aircraft.

As far as I can tell, in RL a grand total of 200 of these were built during 1944.  Seems OK to perk that.  <shrug>
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2013, 08:17:39 PM »
Quote from: Letalis on July 12, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
-1.
In addition to the reasons above, there were only 200 examples of the F4U-1C built.  

In addition, it is my humble opinion that aircraft types which were very rare in RL (especially relative to subvariants of the same type) should be more expensive.

-There is no historical reason the F4U-1C should be more prevalent than the -1,A or D.  For this reason I also have a problem with the prevalence of the P-47M (130 examples) and the Wirblewind (~100 examples).
-As for pragmatic reasons, as stated above, you'd be virtually eliminating very common aircraft for simple gameplay purposes.  
-Aircraft perks are there because of a combination of factors.  The Typhoon is faster but a far inferior dogfighter, the N1K is much slower.  The C-Hog represents a sweet spot and, oh, by the way, it is CV capable.  You don't just eliminate F6F and other Hog models, you take a big bite out of...well, everything else.  
-The C isn't even that expensive!  With all the planes available in this game, it is hard to believe you could ever feel the need to fly a perk ride so much that you'd run out of perkies...




Not only that

4 20mms
6-8 rockets (Don't remember how many exactly)
2 1000lb bombs

Yeah.. that would be 85% of the cv sorties right there if it was unperked. All the other cv planes wouldn't be touched.  The other 15% of cv sorties would be LVTs with troops.

So in a word. No. If you can't afford 30-40 perks, then why would you want to gamble them in the first place. And if you can't afford them, then you don't have the skill to be flying a Chog anyway :).

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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2013, 09:04:37 PM »
It has a base perk of 20 along with the F4U-4.
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2013, 03:43:42 AM »
-1 

I can successfully,  pork ords / dar and all ack on a small field and town.   Whilst still having half ammo to then vulch 10 guys taking off. 

You make it free then people like Jokers Jokers would instantly use it ALL the time. 
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2013, 03:52:10 AM »
Nope.  Leave the perk tag in.  If you free it, it will be the ONLY thing taking off from cv's for jabo.  Why bother with anything else?
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2013, 05:24:21 AM »
A total of 74 LA-7 with 3*20mm where made, seems OK to perk that too.


Quote from: Bino on July 12, 2013, 08:09:17 PM
As far as I can tell, in RL a grand total of 200 of these were built during 1944.  Seems OK to perk that.  <shrug>

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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2013, 06:12:10 AM »
Quote from: save on July 13, 2013, 05:24:21 AM
A total of 74 LA-7 with 3*20mm where made, seems OK to perk that too.
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2013, 06:16:14 AM »
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I think the the perk system is too loose as it is. Ta 152 should be perked along with some others that used to be perked some time ago.
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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2013, 06:24:13 AM »
Quote from: save on July 13, 2013, 05:24:21 AM
A total of 74 LA-7 with 3*20mm where made, seems OK to perk that too.

And 37 of them were crashed by Aeroflot on takeoff  :old:





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Re: Unperk the F4U-1C
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2013, 08:28:48 AM »
Quote from: save on July 13, 2013, 05:24:21 AM
A total of 74 LA-7 with 3*20mm where made, seems OK to perk that too.


Agreed.

However the three cannon La-7 is not nearly as disruptive as the F4U-1C.  Those of us who played back then know what the unfettered F4U-1C was like.
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