Realistic start up

[minke]

Download DCS A-10 sim and begin the training session - Starting the aircraft. Look how long it takes. A ww2 warbird will be a little less, bombers about the same time.

Then sit on the runway for that amount of time. For giggles, do it on a capped field.

Tell us how that works for ya.

[Guppy35]

Hello Guys,
My wish is that the aircraft in the game would have to be started up like the real thing and then taxi and then ttakeoff.
Just to add to the realism, oh, and also remove the enemy icons  harder to kill enemys and more realism 

Only if we can kick you out of bed at 3AM for briefing and if you get shot down you never play again

[titanic3]

I kinda wish it was an option similar to stall limiter. Maybe not as hardcore as having to wait 5 minutes for the engine to warm up and all that, but just radiator and fuel mixture control. Then, those that are able to, can push their engine to the limits and possibly gain performance boosts over those that run on auto settings (just like stall limiter). Of course, it comes with the risk of blowing your own engine but I think it's doable. Rise of Flight pulled it off pretty well.

[Karnak]

I kinda wish it was an option similar to stall limiter. Maybe not as hardcore as having to wait 5 minutes for the engine to warm up and all that, but just radiator and fuel mixture control. Then, those that are able to, can push their engine to the limits and possibly gain performance boosts over those that run on auto settings (just like stall limiter). Of course, it comes with the risk of blowing your own engine but I think it's doable. Rise of Flight pulled it off pretty well.

That makes it mandatory, not optional.

[Dragon Tamer]

I could get behind the OP if it was for something like a special event, even saying FSO and AvA are pushing that a bit. Making this happen in the MA is a big no from me. IRL the P-47 could take up to 5 minutes for a new pilot to start up, let alone taxing and getting to the enemy.

As per the taxi issue, again no. Try taking a P-47D-11 out of the hangar and taxing all the way to the end of the runway (on a large base). Make sure your fuel load is 100% with drop tank and you are doing this in the MA. Now once you get there tell me how much fuel is left in the DT, should be about half. Since the fuel burn rate is 2.00 in the MA, taxing around a base should only be done for rearming or if you are trying to make a film.

[titanic3]

That makes it mandatory, not optional.

Then people will get used to it. There are folks that still fly with stall limiter on I'm sure. Besides, from my experience in RoF, all you had to do was make sure the engine temp didn't hit the red mark. Now whether or not it can be that simplified in AH, I don't know. But if its possible, I don't see why not.

[Panic]

Another thing is that they should change the burn rate to 1 so that the aircraft performs the way it would have IRL.

[Karnak]

Another thing is that they should change the burn rate to 1 so that the aircraft performs the way it would have IRL.

Fuel burn doesn't affect performance, just endurance.  The point of which is to make the short range of things like Bf109s, Spitfires and Yaks an actual disadvantage in the game while still keeping the fields close enough for reasonably quick action.  If the fuel burn was 1.0 then the flying gas tanks like the Mosguito, P-47N, P-51s and Ta152 would lose the advantage that their large tankage gives them.

It is there for reasonable gameplay purposes.  In scenarios the multiplier is set to 1.0 though for more realism.

[FLS]

Hello Guys,
My wish is that the aircraft in the game would have to be started up like the real thing and then taxi and then ttakeoff.
Just to add to the realism, oh, and also remove the enemy icons  harder to kill enemys and more realism 

AH models the realism of crew chiefs starting the aircraft and getting them ready to go for the pilots.

Download DCS A-10 sim and begin the training session - Starting the aircraft. Look how long it takes. A ww2 warbird will be a little less, bombers about the same time.

Then sit on the runway for that amount of time. For giggles, do it on a capped field.

Tell us how that works for ya.

DCS models the P-51 now and you can do the full cold start. It's much faster than the A-10 cold start.

[earl1937]

 

Hello Guys,
My wish is that the aircraft in the game would have to be started up like the real thing and then taxi and then ttakeoff.
Just to add to the realism, oh, and also remove the enemy icons  harder to kill enemys and more realism 

Oh heck, just kick the tires, light the fires and leap into the blue!!

[colmbo]

Also who are you going to get to pull the radials through to clear the bottom cylinders of oil?

FYI you are not clearing oil from the cylinders, you are checking to make sure you don't have a hydraulic lock in one of the cylinders.

If there was oil in the cylinder and the valves are closed you will bend a rod should you be manly enough to pull thru that cylinder. I've pulled thru several hundred blades, you know instantly when a cylinder is hydro locked.

It will puke a bunch of oil, depending on the engine.

[SIK1]

FYI you are not clearing oil from the cylinders, you are checking to make sure you don't have a hydraulic lock in one of the cylinders.

If there was oil in the cylinder and the valves are closed you will bend a rod should you be manly enough to pull thru that cylinder. I've pulled thru several hundred blades, you know instantly when a cylinder is hydro locked.

It will puke a bunch of oil, depending on the engine.

So when it's puking the oil that's not clearing the cylinders of oil? When you do come upon a cylinder that is full of oil on the compression stroke how do you clear it? Can you rotate it backwards or do you have to remove the spark plug, or is there a drain valve for that purpose?

[Saxman]

No for this.

But I would like to see more complex engine management options (shifting supercharger gears, setting fuel mixture, etc) added.

[Arlo]

No for this.

But I would like to see more complex engine management options (shifting supercharger gears, setting fuel mixture, etc) added.

Oy. Not me. Manifold pressure and rpm are enough for me. 

[colmbo]

So when it's puking the oil that's not clearing the cylinders of oil?

Yeah, but that oil wasn't going to be a problem since the exhaust valve was open and it went out the exhaust.  You don't care about that....you just worry about a hydraulic lock. 

Most modern starters have clutches that supposedly will slip if a hydro lock is encountered....but you're betting a $50000 engine (2001 dollars) that it will work.

When you do come upon a cylinder that is full of oil on the compression stroke how do you clear it? Can you rotate it backwards or do you have to remove the spark plug, or is there a drain valve for that purpose?

The correct way is remove the spark plug/s and drain the oil out.  Some say you can turn the engine backward to suck the oil out...but you've put it back in the intake so guess where it goes next.