TA-152 was still in testing phase...

[Megalodon]

4 20mm instead of a hub 30?

Well yes but they were prototypes.

The original prototypes for the C-1 were supposed to be V10,11 and 12 they were canceled. V6,7 and 8 became the prototypes and were called C-0's
There were 3 of them produced and are on the prototype chart I posted earlier in the thread. One of them was in action and the other 2 maybe

C Prototypes,

[Zacherof]

So you deny the fact that there were NO production models period?

[Megalodon]

So you deny the fact that there were NO production models period?

production models of which?

[Zacherof]

production models of which?

So there were no Ta-152's made strictly for combat, as oppose to being a prototype?
I think tweaking a prototype so as to make it a combat ready counts to haveing produced it.

[SirNuke]

by modern standards weren't most wwII airplanes prototypes anyway?

[33Vortex]

Would be sweet to have the C in-game available on the 163 base only, and perked in the 300-500 range. Would make it a rare bird indeed.

[Megalodon]

So there were no Ta-152's made strictly for combat, as oppose to being a prototype?
I think tweaking a prototype so as to make it a combat ready counts to haveing produced it.

Yes the H-1's were made for combat...but were still being test flown and  only single numbers of the varient H-1 saw combat... the H1 was a production varient.

The H-O's were 12 planes delivered to the Eurobungscommando as test aircraft.



Actually the most badfinger models may have been the A and B model  


"6 x 20 mm Mausers plus one MK-103 and two MK-108 30 mm, posibility of two more cannons with field conversion, in some sources the wingroots guns are Mauser MG 213 but I am not sure if those revolver-guns could be synchronizated."




Lotalead,

[Zacherof]

Holy crap batman
That is alot of firepower!

Think I found the best BnZ/HO/bomber hunting plane ever

[Megalodon]

by modern standards weren't most wwII airplanes prototypes anyway?

Modern? You could apply it to the planes of the time as well... I guess the answer to your question is.. yep most planes were made better, advanced in some form or another till they were either stopped from doing so or the war was over.


I don't no quite how to spin this for you....  I will just say 700 D.520 vs.  a single #ed plane. Hundreds of kills vs. 10-13.

As far as you are concerned your country was stiffled at the beginning of the war and could no longer produce planes they way they wished. There were lots of plans for the Dewoitine. Like the 525, 551 and 560.  Who knows by the end of the war there may have been a 575 or 600.


Same with the M.S.406
"In 1939, Hispano started prototype deliveries of the new Hispano-Suiza 12Z engine of 969.4 kW (1,300 hp). One was fitted to a modified M.S.410 to create the M.S.450, giving dramatic improvements in performance, especially at altitude. However the engine did not enter production before France fell, and the similarly modified Dewoitine D.520 (the D.523/D.551) was considered a better design for the engine anyway."
M.S.450


or the VG33 with the VG-40 Merlin powered or the VG-50 Allison 1710-39


I could go on...yours was not the only country..

On the other hand we're being told by Moot that poor Germany was being stiffled towards the end of the war and could hardly get any version of any of the 152's they had planed for development to fruition ...but ..we have been allowed a plane with 16 or less total models of the type in combat <prototypes included> in the game because it was part of the "Big" picture. The reason... it was easy to do, a little stretch here a few bumps here....Wallah. Even tho most of the Ta-152 were from A-3 airframes which we don't even have in the game.

We're also being told by Krusty and Karnak that some planes that saw greater service, made in greater numbers, saw more combat and had way more impact on/in the war, but ..are still not made in enough numbers to be considered in the game or are too insignificant in the rolls that they played to be included in the game..like say Australia's Boomerang or the Mustang Mk1, P51 or P-51A etc....
Mean while 240, 109F-4/R1 came off the assembly line and they are just not acceptable. I can't fathom why the bomb and gondolas have not been replaced on the 109F-4 in any of the last patches that have come out since the scenario management was redone. Spite!

Ack has said that our model here in the game is an H1. Most H-1's were either crashed on test/training flights, crashed during shuttling of aircraft between air bases while retreating, blown up by the Eighth Air Force, or the Germans themselves as they didn't want them captured or not finished.. not to mention there were only 13 trained Ta-152 combat pilots to fly the thing.

With approximately 43 H-1 produced, some of which were retained to as prototypes/development for later models of the 152 like the C-3, H-10 and H-11,



I'm not asking it be removed, I just think its wrong for it to be here before allot of more deserving planes.

[Zacherof]

[Karnak]

We're also being told by Krusty and Karnak that some planes that saw greater service, made in greater numbers, saw more combat and had way more impact on/in the war, but ..are still not made in enough numbers to be considered in the game or are too insignificant in the rolls that they played to be included in the game..like say Australia's Boomerang or the Mustang Mk1, P51 or P-51A etc....
Mean while 240, 109F-4/R1 came off the assembly line and they are just not acceptable. I can't fathom why the bomb and gondolas have not been replaced on the 109F-4 in any of the last patches that have come out since the scenario management was redone. Spite!

Kindly don't ascribe to me positions I don't hold and haven't claimed to hold, often stating the exact opposite.

What you did here is known as lying and slander.

You are much to emotional and can't seem to separate out explanations for things from support for things.  Were it up to me I would not have chosen the Ta152 to be added, but nobody asked me and all I have done here is explained why I think it made it in.


EDIT:

To clarify on your other accusations.  I support the A-36 and P-51A being added.  I oppose the quad 20mm being added because it is only being asked for to be used as a dweebmobile and nothing else.

As I stated in the Bf109F-4 thread, I think the gondolas and bomb ought to be added back in, and the 30mm option for the G-6 while they're at it.

The Boomerang is a low priority with many, many more significant aircraft ahead of it, but it should eventually be added.  I do not mean that marginal things like the Ta152 and Meteor Mk III are ahead of it.  I mean things like the Beaufighter, Pe-2, Tu-2 and Wellington are ahead of it.

[Megalodon]

Kindly don't ascribe to me positions I don't hold and haven't claimed to hold, often stating the exact opposite.

What you did here is known as lying and slander.



EDIT:

To clarify on your other accusations.  I support the A-36 and P-51A being added.  I oppose the quad 20mm being added because it is only being asked for to be used as a dweebmobile and nothing else.

As I stated in the Bf109F-4 thread, I think the gondolas and bomb ought to be added back in, and the 30mm option for the G-6 while they're at it.

The Boomerang is a low priority with many, many more significant aircraft ahead of it, but it should eventually be added.  I do not mean that marginal things like the Ta152 and Meteor Mk III are ahead of it.  I mean things like the Beaufighter, Pe-2, Tu-2 and Wellington are ahead of it.

 Your a piece of work Karnak.... what did I lie about. You sit there say I lied and then come back and edit  in exactly what I said about you.

 But you would like the J2M5? 46 built 4 cannon monster? or 300 of the J2M3?


What a Buffoon,

[Karnak]

Your a piece of work Karnak.... what did I lie about.

You said:

We're also being told by Krusty and Karnak that some planes that saw greater service, made in greater numbers, saw more combat and had way more impact on/in the war, but ..are still not made in enough numbers to be considered in the game or are too insignificant in the rolls that they played to be included in the game..like say Australia's Boomerang or the Mustang Mk1, P51 or P-51A etc....

Claiming that I, and Krusty who I won't speak for and have had disagreements with, oppose the Boomerang, Mustang Mk I, P-51, P-51A, ect when I support all of those other than the quad cannon P-51 for stated reasons.  You claimed I opposed those, I said otherwise, and then you claimed immediately after than I opposed them again.  Can you read?

You also said:

Mean while 240, 109F-4/R1 came off the assembly line and they are just not acceptable. I can't fathom why the bomb and gondolas have not been replaced on the 109F-4 in any of the last patches that have come out since the scenario management was redone. Spite!

I have specifically said, and did in the post right above yours, that the gondolas and bomb should be added back in for the Bf109F-4.  I have maintained that position since the ability to limit loadouts was added.  Again, you turned around and stated that I said the exact opposite.  Can you read?  It really doesn't sound like it.

You sit there say I lied and then come back and edit  in exactly what I said about you.

Lying, or failing to read and then stating what you assume I said, doesn't help your position.

 

But you would like the J2M5? 46 built 4 cannon monster? or 300 of the J2M3?

J2M5 had two cannon, not four.  J2M3 had four.  As to what I would like is the J2M3/J2M3a and the J2M5 added as the J2M5 would be relatively easy to add if the artwork for the J2M3 was already made.  If only one of those is to be added it should obviously be the J2M3.

Have you no common sense?

[Megalodon]

You said: Claiming that I, and Krusty who I won't speak for and have had disagreements with, oppose the Boomerang, Mustang Mk I, P-51, P-51A, ect when I support all of those other than the quad cannon P-51 for stated reasons.  You claimed I opposed those, I said otherwise, and then you claimed immediately after than I opposed them again.  Can you read?

You also said: I have specifically said, and did in the post right above yours, that the gondolas and bomb should be added back in for the Bf109F-4.  I have maintained that position since the ability to limit loadouts was added.  Again, you turned around and stated that I said the exact opposite.  Can you read?  It really doesn't sound like it.
Lying, or failing to read and then stating what you assume I said, doesn't help your position.

 J2M5 had two cannon, not four.  J2M3 had four.  As to what I would like is the J2M3/J2M3a and the J2M5 added as the J2M5 would be relatively easy to add if the artwork for the J2M3 was already made.  If only one of those is to be added it should obviously be the J2M3.

Have you no common sense?

 the F-4 comment wasnt directed at you you just took it that way <shrug>

 My Japanese is a little rough... can you tell me what this says?


 

[Karnak]

Shows four 20mm for both.  I am trying to find where I saw the J2M5 had two 20mm.

In either case, your barb makes no sense as both had four 20mm by that.  It isn't like I was suggesting the J2M5 be added to get one with four 20mm cannons.

J2M3 is obviously the priority for Raidens.