TA-152 was still in testing phase...

[Brooke]

In reading JG26:  Top Guns of the Luftwaffe, there was a pilot (forget the name) who said he preferred the 190A to the 190D.  He said that the extra speed of the D wasn't worth the sacrifice in turning and roll ability compared to the A.

I'm not arguing that the A is better -- just an interesting quote that came to mind.

[Rino]

     As far as the Ta-152 goes, other than the G-10, has any other existing model ever been removed
from the game?  The G-10 was actually replaced/renamed by the K-4, but that's the only one I can
recall.

[moot]

Read carfully...still in the testing phase! All of them the H0's and H1's. Pilots got to train in the 152 to the tune of about an
hour each.

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There were only 13 operational/combat pilots <not test pilots> of the Ta-152?

The 12 Ta-152 H0's that the Erprobungskommando recieved... became the Stab/Jg301 but never joined III/JG301 and those planes that were left 4-6 went to the JG11 and were never used in combat.


 So the only thing you disagree with in my post was the prototypes you mentioned in your post  ....tell me where the three C-0's,VH+EY, CI+XM and GW+QA, came from and get back to me. 

EDIT: Nevermind I will just post it again as even you arn't dumb enough to shoot your self in the foot right?
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V6, V7, V8 ... prototypes


Setting the standard for low production numbers in AH

circumstancial

[Megalodon]

circumstancial

Apply that at the begining instead of the end  

 How many planes and tanks got stiffled?

[kilo2]

Read carfully...still in the testing phase! All of them the H0's and H1's. Pilots got to train in the 152 to the tune of about an
hour each.

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There were only 13 operational/combat pilots <not test pilots> of the Ta-152?

The 12 Ta-152 H0's that the Erprobungskommando recieved... became the Stab/Jg301 but never joined III/JG301 and those planes that were left 4-6 went to the JG11 and were never used in combat.


 So the only thing you disagree with in my post was the prototypes  ....tell me where the three C-0's,VH+EY, CI+XM and GW+QA, came from and get back to me.  


Setting the standard for low production numbers in AH

I agree it is a low production number but not as low as you are claiming.

C-0's were produced by the Mimetall-Erfurt factory.

Early in January 1945 20 of 24 152s that were parked at the Cottbus-Neuhausen field were destroyed on the ground by the 8th air force.

Later in the month III./JG-301 received 24-26 152s at Alteno which many were lost in the conversion training.

Bustr is correct though there were not many kills achieved by the 152. But they flew more than one mission. At least 2 as a group with pilots like Keil going up in pairs more often.

[moot]

Megalodon you realize your attitude makes discussing this with you almost not-interesting?  Right now... I could argue this in full... instead I'm going to open a beer and start up AH.

The 152H we have wasn't a prototype like the 335 was.  Nor is it a fair assessment that its low numbers preclude it from being in AH as early as it was.  Singling out production numbers is so myopic in the big picture.. We're talking about an airplane in a game such as AH, made by people such as HTC, for people such as the lot of us.  Not just you and your anal retentiveness WRT production numbers.

AH is a world of air combat and the 152 was a good fit when it was added, all things considered.  You're not considering all things (on purpose?), so no surprise you think it's a bad fit.  In any case you're welcome to argue for any other plane's inclusion.  First hand I can tell you that HTC are totally open to quality input of historical or hardware/empirical evidence, regardless how "unexpected" it is.

[Arlo]

Excellent perspective, Moot. 

[moot]

And I'm not kidding on the HTC bit.  Really do the research and they'll be all ears if you present it politely.  I only talked to Pyro myself, but after 10 years the only impression I get is this one. 

[bustr]

Yes HTC is very open to real historical information. I will forever have to watch asking for a "Big Cocker" in a cockpit.

Hey I still didn't get the 200 yard zero mark on the back of the Russian props to set the PCP1 to.

[Ack-Ack]

V6, V7, V8 ... prototypes

Ta 152C-0, was a pre-production airframe that had a prototype engine that was being evaluated for use on other variants as shown by the listings for V6 through V8.  Again, does not prove your claim the Ta 152 we have in game was a prototype.

ack-ack

[Megalodon]

The 152H we have wasn't a prototype like the 335 was.  

Nor is it a fair assessment that its low numbers preclude it from being in AH as early as it was.  Singling out production numbers is so myopic in the big picture.. We're talking about an airplane in a game such as AH, made by people such as HTC, for people such as the lot of us.  Not just you and your anal retentiveness WRT production numbers.

Never said that what we have was a prototype  read more carefully  


Nice speech get around 16 planes in combat

[moot]

So what if it was still in testing phase?  It was a machine just like other machines in wartime that were put in the hands of soldiers to the task of fighting the war.  It wasn't "in testing phase" any more than the Ducati Desmosedici GP13 is "in testing phase" and thus doesn't deserve to score points on the championship.  Taking a country like Germany in 'late 44 - '45 and saying they put a plane like the 152H into combat before going thru conventional development stages, and quoting cherry picked production/fielding numbers is just disingenuous.

Again with the obsession with 16 planes figure.  Read more carefully?  Articulate yourself more carefully.  I'm done with this one.

[Megalodon]

And I'm not kidding on the HTC bit.  Really do the research and they'll be all ears if you present it politely.  I only talked to Pyro myself, but after 10 years the only impression I get is this one. 

Do research  

There are so many planes that belong here before the 152 it is not even funny.... like you.

Lets talk about the big picture. Tell me about the plane and how it was so tragic that it couldnt be fleshed out

Any part of the Ta-152 you would like to talk about I'm game


Please,

[moot]

 
"Do research".... On the 152. 

[Megalodon]

So what if it was still in testing phase? 

Again with the obsession with 16 planes figure.  Read more carefully?  Articulate yourself more carefully.  I'm done with this one.

 Prove there were more...