TA-152 was still in testing phase...

[aztec]

     As far as the Ta-152 goes, other than the G-10, has any other existing model ever been removed
from the game?  The G-10 was actually replaced/renamed by the K-4, but that's the only one I can
recall.

Yes, the P47 D-30....I'm too to remember why though.

[Karnak]

No plane has ever been removed from AH.  Not the P-47D-30 and not the Bf109G-10.  We'd have had to have had those in order for them to be removed.

In the case of the P-47D-30, it was always a P-47D-40, but it had been called a P-47D-30 in error.  HTC merely corrected the label, no other changes happened to it.

In the case of the Bf109G-10, HTC had called their Bf109K-4 a Bf109G-10 to justify giving it options for a 20mm nose gun and the underwing gondolas, but it always had the performance specs of the Bf109K-4.  When they redid the Bf109 lineup for AH2 they decided they wanted more accuracy so they took off the 20mm options and correctly named it the Bf109K-4.  If we had had the Bf109G-10 we'd have had a Bf109 that topped out at about 425mph, but we've never had such a Bf109 as the AH1 Bf109G-10 did 452mph at best altitude, because it was really a Bf109K-4.

[caldera]

No plane has ever been removed from AH

 

P-40B was removed. 

[Krusty]

 

P-40B was removed. 

No... It was always modeled after P-40C specs. We simply got them to call it what it was and give it the drop tank that P-40Cs could carry.

Much like the G10 was never in Aces High, neither was the P-40B. It is still exactly modeled like it was, just named to reflect its accurate designation.

[caldera]

No... It was always modeled after P-40C specs. We simply got them to call it what it was and give it the drop tank that P-40Cs could carry.

Much like the G10 was never in Aces High, neither was the P-40B. It is still exactly modeled like it was, just named to reflect its accurate designation.

Something doesn't add up, because the P-40C handles way better than the B did.  The B would get waxed bad if it was still around to fight the C model.  I was flying the B at the time right before the remodel and can tell you the C is a much better performer.

Since the flight model and model designation were changed, then that means the P-40B was removed. 
Saying it is modeled the same doesn't make it true.  I'd love to see your AH P-40B/P-40C in-game performance charts for comparison.

[Krusty]

There are some flight model upgrades, but please remember that the P-40s were a first-generation flight model. They (and all other similarly-aged flight models) were brought up to modern quality specs when the graphics were updated.

If you look at the hurricanes, similar changes were made. If you look at other planes in a similar situation you notice a change. 190s had a change. Lavochkins had a change. N1k2s had a change.

But if you look at the specs for speed, climb, etc, it hits all the same bullet points as the old "B" model (which was never a B).

Real "B" models would be noticably lighter and faster.

[aztec]

No plane has ever been removed from AH.  Not the P-47D-30 and not the Bf109G-10.  We'd have had to have had those in order for them to be removed.

In the case of the P-47D-30, it was always a P-47D-40, but it had been called a P-47D-30 in error.  HTC merely corrected the label, no other changes happened to it.

Thank you for that clarification Karnak.

[Wmaker]

Something doesn't add up, because the P-40C handles way better than the B did.  The B would get waxed bad if it was still around to fight the C model. 

The flight models of the P-40s were completely redone. P-40B (now C) for example became roughly 480lbs lighter (empty) in the process and gained 8mph on the deck.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274437.0.html

[MiloMorai]

... when forced into service?

Some of the prototypes were also put into service? 

It never flew a mission it was intended to be flown for?

Less than 16 were flown in combat?

Most of the production units were crashed... or destroyed by the allies before they were ever even test flown?

Is that true?,
Really?

Never heard of any of the V a/c seeing service with a combat unit.

[Krusty]

I think he means preproduction series-0 craft. Those have seen combat since the early days of the war.... just not with a systematic approach to it.

In this case I think he's calling the 152H-0 a prototype, which isn't correct. Not in the literal sense of the word.

[Megalodon]

I think he means preproduction series-0 craft. Those have seen combat since the early days of the war.... just not with a systematic approach to it.

In this case I think he's calling the 152H-0 a prototype, which isn't correct. Not in the literal sense of the word.

 Nope the C-0's were prototypes taken directly from the V's there were no production or pre-production C-0's, only prototype/development.... with test engines.  Read the operational history I posted and see the prototype chart!

V8  WrN. 110008 GW+QA most likly and V6-V7 possible saw combat.  But ...If you would like to say that no C-0's ever saw combat that would be fine by me. 

I have accounted for 2 of them in my numbers.


16-2=14 Ta 152 in combat.

 

[Krusty]

C-0s weren't prototypes. They were developmental steps to the production series. A finalizing step. Not just talking 152Cs, either, but all craft with a -0 series. There were some 100 or so C-1s on a production line at the end of the war in various stages of completion. Not one got out the door, but these were only possible to construct because of the 152C-0.

Ta152 prototypes were not combat craft. The Ta152C prototype, for example, was a modified 190D airframe. The C-0 series was for service testing (including combat testing, how the plane operated, how hard it was to maintain it, to repair it, etc -- the whole package).

A number of the 152Hs that saw combat were H-0s. That doesn't make them prototypes either. They were a stepping stone to what the "standard" would be with the H-1. They were still figuring things out. Normally -0 series (heck, even -1 series most times) don't see combat but because of the rushed nature of the 152's introduction to service in 1945 these ones did.

[Megalodon]

Notice anything about these werknummers?

[Nashorn]

4 20mm instead of a hub 30?

[caldera]

The flight models of the P-40s were completely redone. P-40B (now C) for example became roughly 480lbs lighter (empty) in the process and gained 8mph on the deck.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274437.0.html

If I'm reading the thread right: we previously had a P-40B that was as heavy as a C and now have a P-40C that is as heavy as a B.