unperk the m4/76

[Tank-Ace]

Surfin, the M4's front armor (all models) are roughly equivalent to both models of T-34, all providing about 91mm of protection.

The M4 also has better optics, if an arguably inferior ranging system. It's gun is better with standard AP (ie better in all situations beyond 1200m). It's ROF equates to a higher damage output with all types of ammo. It has smoke. It's more stable the move, thus having a greater chance of scoring a hit while moving. It has more ammunition (and if this is only rarely an issue, you're either not taking HE, or using it exactly as I described, which is to say poorly)

It's gun is only a few mm of penetration less than the Panzer IV's, compared to the 16mm less für the Zis-53-S. It's turret armor is far superior (better when hull down, and can do this easier than the T-34).

the fact is that the T-34 only has HVAP and speed going for it. It would be quite mediocre without the former. Give the other tanks even a few rounds of HVAP, and the T-34 would be unperked first.

[Chalenge]

The difference in optics is minimal because of the accuracy of shots in AH and because crosshairs do not obscure targets at anything like realistic distances.

The Tiger II, for example, I have used to kill at up to 8k (possibly further). I have read accounts where a target the size of a medium tank would be obscured by the crosshair, making even 4k shots difficult to impossible.

The best skill the M4 has is actually shelling, as in artillery. The 76mm gun has minimal effect at shelling, because the HE charge is smaller than even the 75mm.

Choosing between either M4 and a T34-85, I would choose the 85. I have been in a situation where it was three M4s versus a single T34 (75 in this case) and the T34 got to 400 yards before it was finally killed. . . by a T-34 85 that butted in.

[Tank-Ace]

Lol, Chalenge, you really do have some serious attention issues  . Not every thread about M4's or artillery requires you to come in and boast about your "skillz" (which are quite over-exaggerated, if that was you at TT, today).

[Chalenge]

You need to read that again, kid. No boasting involved. I saw you in TT. If, my skills are not up to par, then explain how your hangars died. Your problem is you can't explain how to do it and you can't stop it from happening. In fact it's driving you nuts!

  

[dirtdart]

The difference in optics is minimal because of the accuracy of shots in AH and because crosshairs do not obscure targets at anything like realistic distances.

Chalenge I think the "realistically cloudy" optic on the T34 are a pain in the a**. I generally do not drive T34s now because of this and this alone, causes too much eye strain on me. I thought it was lame that HTC decided to "model" glass quality into tanking.

Surf, Right now my number one ride is the Hetzer because when I screw up and fire late, I always will get a shot back. Next to that is the Panzer H, followed by the M18. To me all the other tanks are options, but not ones I would pick. The only time I roll an M4 is the calliope sherman, when I am headed to kill a town. Again, my experience in the sherman, tank on tank, is one hit poof tower.

[Paladin3]

Bangsbox, I don't know what your subscription costs, but I pay the base 15.99 and I have survived a hit but very rarely.

No, I think it needs to be unperked. It is nearly impossible to fight the T34's later variant with it. That thing was a best in the war too, but I wonder about its rear and flank armor modeling. Even my beloved M1A2 got thinner in those places. I have hit T34s in the tail multiple times and had them just keep on running.

I guess I am more a fan of not loosing perks when bombed thought honestly. I don't have nearly the perks as many folks and I never worry about upping a M18 or a M4 76. I think I have 500 some GV perks. I even try to fight the M4 75 sometimes. Its a bear because neither is as fast as the T34s a bunch of the other folks are running around in, but I fight American steel in the game. Its my choice, and sometimes I think I should go with the M18 because it is the same perk cost and has some maneuverability. it limits your exposure during rushes that the M4 could do in real life but can not in the game due to there being so few things to hide behind in game. In the real world you have many places to hide a tank. I was amazed at some of the ways we hid ours or found a nice hull down position that was naturally occurring.

[Tank-Ace]

You need to read that again, kid. No boasting involved. I saw you in TT. If, my skills are not up to par, then explain how your hangars died. Your problem is you can't explain how to do it and you can't stop it from happening. In fact it's driving you nuts!

  

Challenge, unless your he rounds can cause someone calling "bombs out, scatter!" to abruptly cut off, and him to disappear, you don't get the hangers.

And besides that, you bring it up at every possible opportunity, even if it's only tenuously related (ie M4(76) vs T-34). You clearly are fishing for something along the lines of a midway, which will never happen; aside from the lack of worthy skills, you're too arrogant.

[Tank-Ace]

Bangsbox, I don't know what your subscription costs, but I pay the base 15.99 and I have survived a hit but very rarely.

No, I think it needs to be unperked. It is nearly impossible to fight the T34's later variant with it. That thing was a best in the war too, but I wonder about its rear and flank armor modeling. Even my beloved M1A2 got thinner in those places. I have hit T34s in the tail multiple times and had them just keep on running.

You're having rubber shell issues. I routinely one - shot T-34's from the sides and rear at ranges approaching 1000m. If you can't do that even closer, you're either wasting a shot on the tracks, or are having some rubber bullet issues.

[surfinn]

Tank ace
again its my experience that the t3485 is a lot more durable than the m4/76
It does not follow automatically that you have to unperk it for the m4/76 to be unperked.
Just out of curiosty tank ace what is your ride of choice in tanks? Oh and dead rear shots to a t34/85  with me 90 % of the time will kill the engine and the second shot will kill the tank if I get a second shot.  

Oh and according to the in game armour chart the front armour of the m4/76 is 63.5mm of front hull and turret armour   not 91mm rounded armour

[Tank-Ace]

My ride of choice is the Hetzer. It really just fits my play style, although the gun maxing at 3200m calibration is a bit annoying. Quite limiting in some situations, but that's neither here nor there.

If not the Hetzer, I'm in a Panzer IV F, or occasionally an H.

I rarely use the M4, just as I rarely fly non-german aircraft. It is emphatically not due to the quality of the vehicle in any way. The same is not true of the T-34.

also, factor in slope. The T-34 has only 45mm if you ignore that crucial element. Without it, a Panther would be no harder to kill than a Panzer IV H.

[Chalenge]

Challenge, unless your he rounds can cause someone calling "bombs out, scatter!" to abruptly cut off, and him to disappear, you don't get the hangers.

And besides that, you bring it up at every possible opportunity, even if it's only tenuously related (ie M4(76) vs T-34). You clearly are fishing for something along the lines of a midway, which will never happen; aside from the lack of worthy skills, you're too arrogant.

Obviously, you were not paying attention, kid. Your hangars died. I did not miss the gun you said I did. But worse, you were not even close enough to see what I was shooting. Yes, you could see my shells inbound, but then you tried to misdirect me with a pm. There's your arrogance, in other words, pure pretentiousness on your part.

My opinion, as it relates to the M4/76 is very much closer to the reality of AH, versus yours which relates more to WoTs. I believe you are lost. I can do what I say. What you claim has yet to be proven.

[waystin2]

The small perk on the 76 is worth it and required.  Hard hitting, fast reload, decent speed, decent armor.  Overall very good tank.  Keep as is.

[SmokinLoon]

The M4/76mm has a great main gun albeit the weakest HE round in the game (ditto for M18).

I say keep it perked.

Matter of fact, I wish HTC approached the planes in the same manner as it does gv's: apply a small perk price to everything that deserves it (P51D, Spit16, La7, George, Tiff, Spit 8, K-4, Il-2, Lanc, B24, B17, etc).

[Karnak]

Il-2 deserves a perk price?  Why?  It is not good at air-to-air and it is far overshadowed by the A-20G in air-to-GV.

[matt]

t34/85 2 perks not 3