Is it possible to bring AH graphics engine up to par?

[titanic3]

ok I am asking you the same question as before.  what exactly would you spend extra money to in ah?  do you think people would spend money to get their airplane to look a certain color or most wont give a crap as long as they can fly for free?


semp

Yep.

[The Fugitive]

A6M5
B5N2
Bf109G-6
C.202
C-47A
*F4U-1C (perk fighter)
G4M1
He111H
Hurricane Mk IId
La-5FN
LVT(A)2
*Mosquito Mk XVI (perk bomber)
P-51B
Panzer IV F
SBD-5
Sd.Kfz. 251
*Sherman VC (perk GV)
Spitfire Mk V
500lb/250kg class bombs

I think that list would be a bit more than I'd give away to free to play type players. I see it as 4 categories, FREE, $5, $10, and $14.95 a month Your log in name is tied to which ever group your paid up for that month.

Free group gets a couple of early fighters, a couple early attack, a light bomber and a heavy, and a couple GVs. NO PERK STUFF.

$5 group gets the free group with a few more newer fighters and bombers and GVs. Maybe about a third of the available set we have now.

$10 group gets closer to half the set we have now,

$14.95 groups gets everything, plus perked equipment as well. ONLY this group gets the perked rides.

As Lusche said, he'd switch to free play if the list was what was posted above by Karnak. Maybe a tighter list he wouldn't, but even so I'm sure some would be happy running with the lower tier, but I'm thinking they would get more paying customers out of the free plan than they would lose. On top of that many of those "he-men" that switch most likely wouldn't stay on that tier as long as they think.

I know AH will never reach League of Legends status. So my opinion is that AH should turn into a pay once and get full access if HTC wants more players. $40 is a reasonable price at the current stage it's in. The graphics does NOT make it fit to be worth $60, the same as a grade AAA game title like Battlefield, Skyrim, Call of Duty or something similar.

That would be a stupid business plan  Look at it this way, HTC should be running this like a drug dealer. Give them enough "free" candy until they are hooked and then make them pay for it! Not the other way around, "Give my $1000 this one time and I'll supply you with your drug for ever!"  I don't think so.

[titanic3]

 

That would be a stupid business plan  Look at it this way, HTC should be running this like a drug dealer. Give them enough "free" candy until they are hooked and then make them pay for it! Not the other way around, "Give my $1000 this one time and I'll supply you with your drug for ever!"  I don't think so.

Welp, guess all those games on Steam for $5, $10, $15, $20, $30, $40, $50, $60 are bad business.

[Karnak]

Welp, guess all those games on Steam for $5, $10, $15, $20, $30, $40, $50, $60 are bad business.

What part of ongoing development costs and server maintenance do you don't understand?

Show me all the games on steam that match that, but have a one time purchase of $5-60.

[titanic3]

What part of ongoing development costs and server maintenance do you don't understand?

Show me all the games on steam that match that, but have a one time purchase of $5-60.

Counterstrike CS:GO
Chivalry Medieval Warfare

Two games from my library of 20 something games. Now I'm not going to spend hours searching for a full list of games out of the thousands listed on Steam. Oh, and you know why devs drop support of a game they have? Because it's old, it's outdated, or they want to progress whatever storyline it has through a new game. HTC doesn't have to do that, they can just focus on AH alone. And if they want an extra source of money, then in addition to the one time fee, add in microtransactions for cosmetics reason only, and expand upon it every month with new additions.

But whatever, the same argument happens in every single thread related to graphics. The die hard 2004 PC crowd is too stubborn to accept that AH needs a visual update or are happy with the tiny playerbase that exists compared to other games. I want to see AH grow, apparently, most of you don't. So whatever, I'm done with this thread, maybe when the next "A graphic update is required" pops up, you can just copy and paste every single post in here and every single post from similar threads.

[Bear76]

Counterstrike CS:GO
Chivalry Medieval Warfare

Two games from my library of 20 something games. Now I'm not going to spend hours searching for a full list of games out of the thousands listed on Steam. Oh, and you know why devs drop support of a game they have? Because it's old, it's outdated, or they want to progress whatever storyline it has through a new game. HTC doesn't have to do that, they can just focus on AH alone. And if they want an extra source of money, then in addition to the one time fee, add in microtransactions for cosmetics reason only, and expand upon it every month with new additions.

But whatever, the same argument happens in every single thread related to graphics. The die hard 2004 PC crowd is too stubborn to accept that AH needs a visual update or are happy with the tiny playerbase that exists compared to other games. I want to see AH grow, apparently, most of you don't. So whatever, I'm done with this thread, maybe when the next "A graphic update is required" pops up, you can just copy and paste every single post in here and every single post from similar threads.

Thank God, I was getting tired of your posts. Go play your other games.

[Slash27]

Welp, guess all those games on Steam for $5, $10, $15, $20, $30, $40, $50, $60 are bad business.

You really don't the difference between a small business that focuses on a certain  product vs large corporation that outs out multiple products?  Has nothing to do with "the stubborn 2004 graphics crowd" whatever that is. Put a window in your stomach.

[titanic3]

Nvm. 

[Tank-Ace]

Perhaps offer up the B-26 as a F2P perk bomber, since it offers more utility in your typical MA setting, and would still be vastly improved.

[muzik]

Haven't delved into all this thread yet, but to address the OP first, top end graphics are not what this game ever was or should be about unless it can be done without any sacrifice of the MMO aspect and ALL other shortcomings have been addressed.

Building the plane set is necessary, but it is long past the point that it should remain a top priority.

What this game needs is a better strategic aspect and more immersion in the Combat pilot experience. Many ideas that have been debated in the wishlist are worthy additions of the game, except in the eyes of the "Reasonable Proposal" weenies who think they have all the answers about what makes this game appealing.

MOST players new to air combat games arrive completely uneducated in air combat and did so expecting to find something that resembles what they see in the media. Instant disappointment. Not a significant disappointment, but that's purely a matter of opinion. Some have the perseverance to stick it out and see what's deeper.

What part of ongoing development costs and server maintenance do you don't understand?

Show me all the games on steam that match that, but have a one time purchase of $5-60.

Didn't get the back story on this comment, but when I play this game, I'm not going to play for free. I pay because 15 bucks is not a lot of money and I want unrestricted access should there ever be a free aspect in the game.

As for the ridiculous arguments about how "out of control" the free players will be, Fugitima has been griping about paying customers for years. Net result is NOTHING CHANGES. Except I have more targets to shoot at and some percentage of those non-paying customers will not endure the restrictions of a free aspect.

They will break in and pay for the game exactly like millions who play the "free" games just to find out they have to buy their pink tu-tus to be a part of Fugi's Pink Ladies Clan.

For the record, I also don't agree with the one time purchase and pay for upgrades model. Just like perks, it benefits a privileged portion of the player base who are no more important or valuable to the community than the rest of the population. And if I were to speculate, those who can afford extras are already the more arrogant, loud mouthed and demanding group. Let Fugi get a load of that demographic and he'll really have something to complain about.

A player base that is on equal ground is going to be a happier in the long run.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

my computer is not that old maybe 5 years old at the most and I still can't run AH full blast and WOT I have to run at minimum graphic settings to even get close to 20fps oh and the slider makes your plane look shiny not in the hangar though but get it out on the runway and if you have a bare metal skin on it you can see reflections in it

Not that old? 5 years old computer is very old for gaming use especially if you bought a cheap model 5 years ago and no hardware has been updated in those 5 years. The 2013 Steam hardware survey shows that over 60% of the playerbase have a modern DX11 capable GPU + OS, other most common components in systems: Win7 64bit, 8Gigs of ram.

[guncrasher]

Not that old? 5 years old computer is very old for gaming use especially if you bought a cheap model 5 years ago and no hardware has been updated in those 5 years. The 2013 Steam hardware survey shows that over 60% of the playerbase have a modern DX11 capable GPU + OS, other most common components in systems: Win7 64bit, 8Gigs of ram.

so you want to kick out 40% of the players?


semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

so you want to kick out 40% of the players?


semp

Survey was of Steam _users_ so obviously also the rest of the hardware is supported. That's the thing - usually game engines are built to be backwards compatible. People with only dx9 capability will just miss dx10,11 features. AH2 runs great on most DX10 era cards too.

Oh and by the way, if things would change and AH would get a rush of 100 000 new subscribers - it can afford to kick out the marginal users who have an ancient computer.

[guncrasher]

Survey was of Steam _users_ so obviously also the rest of the hardware is supported. That's the thing - usually game engines are built to be backwards compatible. People with only dx9 capability will just miss dx10,11 features. AH2 runs great on most DX10 era cards too.

Oh and by the way, if things would change and AH would get a rush of 100 000 new subscribers - it can afford to kick out the marginal users who have an ancient computer.

but how many of those 100k players are going to spend a couple of months learning to play the game?  actually how many of those would want to play with a keyboard and mouse only?  so we supposed to dumb down the game for that?

why dont you reallize that ah is different that those stick it to those who pay games, i mean free to be a lemming games.

last couple of times that you argue this non-sense you got burned bad but I guess you are going for a record.

semp



semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

but how many of those 100k players are going to spend a couple of months learning to play the game?  actually how many of those would want to play with a keyboard and mouse only?  so we supposed to dumb down the game for that?

why dont you reallize that ah is different that those stick it to those who pay games, i mean free to be a lemming games.

last couple of times that you argue this non-sense you got burned bad but I guess you are going for a record.

That's why the relaxed realism f2p arena was suggested. So noobs would have an easymode free practice place and when they 'graduate' they could subscribe to play with the big boys in the cool hard mode arenas. In fact this model is what WT uses and they have 2M+ user base now versus AH2, what, 2k?

Show me the places "I got burned bad" please, I have no recollection of such things.