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[Pyro]

Everybody's gung-ho for the Europe terrain, but what about the planeset?  Any suggestions to mate up with that?  I'm looking to change it tomorrow.

[AKSWulfe]

SpitV, SpitIX, P51B, P47D-11 (or -25, or both), B26

-vs-

109F4, 109G2, 109G6, 190A5, 190A8, Ju88A-4

I'm sure this will be dubbed unfair to one side or the other.. but you asked for ideas...
-SW

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]

[skernsk]

Add 202 and 205 to Wulfies list.

F6F for the Bellbottom brigade.  I think the British used them....

Lanc

[Swoop]

Dont forget C47s, all vehicles (including LVTs) and CV aircraft - Seafire, F4U-D, F6F.    Also - P38L, B17, Lanc, Typhoon, G10, Dora, Tempest, P51D, TA152, Arado.

I'd perk the following:  P51D, Dora, 109G10, Arado, TA152, Tempest, B17 and Lanc (gotta perk the heavy bombers since the Germans dont have any).  Most important thing tho.....no Hog C.

 

[AKSWulfe]

Well don't add on to my list those late war jobs.. I would prefer something more.. well "sane" than having SpitVs in the same "historical" arena as 190D9s, 109G10s, P51Ds, Ta-152s, Arados and Tempests...

This past setup we had included the 190D9, 109G10, and Tempest... lets not do it AGAIN.
-SW

[Swoop]

So perk em then.

Hell, you could even perk Spit IXs, F4s, A5s, etc, very slightly just to limit the numbers.

Remember, we start with no perk points in the CA and given that combat can be hard to find it'll take ages to build up enough perkies to fly......an Arado for example.

Also, just as an example, spit Vs were still being used in 1945......
 

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: Swoop ]

[jihad]

I like SWulfes list.

SpitV, SpitIX, P51B, P47D-11  P47D-25, B26
-vs-
109F4, 109G2, 109G6, 190A5, 190A8, Ju88A-4 + Panzer, M-16, and M3 for both sides.

[AKSWulfe]

Point is: Why are we doing the MA system in this supposed "HA"... I can understand the perk system in the MA...

But not in this supposed "Historical" arena.

Seems odd to me... SpitVs and Ta-152s?

Let alone 109F4s and Ta-152s on the same side....

Strikes me as a-historical.
-SW

[SKurj]

Swoop.... you are basically asking for the MA without jap and russkie planes with the channel map...  BAH!!

Lets do a midwar planeset we can get our late war jollies in the MA at any time.

I go with SWulf's suggestion with perhaps the F6F, Hurri II,   TBM

How about IL2 to replace the missin Stuka? +)  just an idea!!!


SKurj

[Buzzbait]

S!

I may even subscribe, lol

The entire European planeset would be advisable.

In addition, from the Pacific plane set, include the F6F, D-Hog and TBM.  The Fleet Air Arm used them on its carriers in `44.

Perk the 190D and Tempest, or restrict their numbers.  Also Tempest should be limited to being based in England if you give the Allies a beachhead and bases in Normandy.

[skernsk]

We should make a rolling planeset w/o getting too complicated.

First week of the month Spitv, Seafire, Early 109, early 190.  Ju88, Lanc.

Second week...upgrade(replace spit 5 with spit 9), add 51B, replace 109 with later one, add 190 etc.

This way we will get to late war planes and you will have an even match-up.

Otherewise all you have is the MA.

[Buzzbait]

S!

Forgot the TA-152.

It shouldn`t be in the mix.  Didn`t appear until April `45 and your European map doesn`t cover the area of Germany where it was based.

[AKSWulfe]

With an RPS though Skernsk, you can only do one theater of operations for a month. I think they(HTC) are trying to avoid that and give us as much variety as possible.

If they are going to change setups every week or week and a half, a small limited plane/vehicle set would make sense rather than an attempt at encompassing the whole war via the use of perk points. (perk point comment isn't directed at you Skernsk, I know you said RPS)
-SW

[R4M]

My set:

RAF (unperked):

Fighters:
Spitfire V, Spitfire IX, Hellcat, TBM, P47D11, P51B, P38L  

Bombers:
Lancaster, TBM

Please cut off the availability of Fighters on board carriers. Put just TBMs there. I know its not gonna happen, but I damned hate the 10 mile carrier with the idiotic vulch-furball attached. Or modify the Norway terrain to have a good deal of shore batteries to avoid that stupidity to happen. But by any means please stop that joke  
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RAF (perked)

Fighters: Typhoon Ib (5 perks, late 44 version) Tempest (30 perks) F4U1D (10 perks)------->was used ONCE operationally in the ETO, and it saw no air to air combat.

Bombers:
B26B: 5 perks. B17G: 10 perks.

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Luftwaffe (unperked):

Fighters:
Fw190A5, Fw190A8, Me109F4, Me109G2, Me109G6, Me109G10---------->(like it or not, there were Me109G6s with DB605ASM engines as soon as in late 1943. So until a decent latewar 109G6 or 109G14 is here you can't perk the G10 in an historical arena, sorry. Put the ENY value very low for this plane, but let it unperked).

Bombers:
Ju88 (any doubt?   )
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Luftwaffe: (perked):

Fighters: Fw190D9 (15 perks),, Ta152H-1 (50perks)------>WILL be very rare, but please dont let it out, is too much kewl  ...

and Me262         (100 perks).

Bombers: Arado 234: 40 perks.

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

[Westy MOL]

P-47D-R11 or P-51B added, Macchi 202 (maybe even the 205) in the Southwestern area of France and perhaps the F6F on the CV's?
 That might add more variety without tipping the balance.

 It allows an earlier American plane if we had either of those, an Italian presence as they did fight in the BoB from that area and it also adds a regular mount to the RNAF. Add the TBM to the CV's too? Or is that too much?

 Maybe allow the B-26 as a Ju88 medium bomber counterpart and remove the Lanc - or perk it altogether?

 Westy

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]