109 down 10mins from my house

[NatCigg]

No, not very accessible area, and roads congested due to the airshow - so we have to estimate the auger score based on others photos  

awesome pic

[Reaper90]

No, not very accessible area, and roads congested due to the airshow - so we have to estimate the auger score based on others photos  

 pilot had 3 kills, too, and only got a ditch because he just missed the pavement.

 

[Ack-Ack]

Good that the pilot survived. Bad that the plane did too.

With that 109 being a flying death trap and having 3 previous crashes, it'd be safer for it to be stuck in the dirt than in the sky.

We understand you're an idiot, you don't need to remind us with each of your posts.

ack-ack

[skorpx1]

We understand you're an idiot, you don't need to remind us with each of your posts.

ack-ack

That was a pretty bad excuse for an insult.


3/10.

Try harder next time.

[33Vortex]

Don't mind the trolls.

Petty on such a beauty, even more sad that there are NO FW190D models flying. Yellow 10 which is airworthy but not flying because of the above mentioned maintenance and manufacturing issues, and the associated risk with taking the only airworthy Dora up.

Awesome piloting getting that 109 down in one piece.

[MiloMorai]

There is a Fw190F-8 that should be flying in the not so distant future. This is the White One a/c which has been recently sold to the Collings Foundation.

[Zoney]

We understand you're an idiot, you don't need to remind us with each of your posts.

ack-ack

+1

[Gman]

Nice video Gsholz.  That motorcanon barrel sure is large when you look at it head on.  I wonder how many Soviet pilots looked back or in their mirror, and the last thing they saw was it belching fire and smoke.

[Reaper90]

We understand you're an idiot, you don't need to remind us with each of your posts.

ack-ack

Gonna have to agree with ack-ack here.... kid is really bringing the stupid lately. He needs to stop, really, before he makes himself look even dumber....... oh wait..... nevermind.

[Wmaker]

As mentioned, this was the plane's third bigger mishap during its life as Rote 7. It has had crashes before that in its previous life as well:

The Messerschmitt Stiftung's  "Rote Sieben" (Red Seven) was built as a Hispano (CASA) license built Bf-109, the Hispano HA-1112 M-1L Buchón in 1950 with c/n 139. After delivery she first served with the Ejercito del Aire with serial C.4K-75.

After being stuck of charge she was stored on Tablada before being sold to the United Kingdom in 1968, registered as G-AWHH. She starred as a Bf-109E "yellow 11" and "red 14" in the famous movie "The Battle of Britain". For another role in a movie she was reconverted into a P-51 "Mustang". Therefore a fake belly-cooler was attached. But she unfortunately crashed during a take-off and was severely damaged.

After her accident she was sold to the USA being registered as N3109G and restored to flying condtion. She was flown for the first and last time from Casper, Wyoming in 1986 as she crashed on take-off. After she was "repaired" to represent an Bf-109E-4 in static condition and in open storage. She was in a terrible state when she arrived in Augsburg, Germany in the 1990s where a couple of enthusiasts had the ambitious plan to restore her to Bf-109G-4 "Gustav" specifications, including the Daimler-Benz DB605 engine. Her first owner gave up on the plan fairly soon an in 1998 she was moved to the Messerschmitt Air Company (MAC) at Albstadt-Degerfeld. There she would undergo an expensive and time consuming restoration, that took over 30.000 hours. The work was completed in 2004 and on October 8 of that year she was presented to the public; the Rote Sieben had come to life!

On July 15, 2005 disaster struck as she was involved in a crash landing. While she touched down at her home, Albstadt-Degerfeld, the main gear collapsed resulting in a violent ground spin. The engine broke of the fuselage and the fighter was heavily damaged. At that point it wasn't clear if she would ever take the skies again. While being repaired the MAC was having difficulties to raise the funds to finalize the needed work and in December 2007 she was adopted by the Manching based Messerschmitt Stiftung. On April 2, 2008 she made, with Walter Eichhorn as her pilot, her first 15 minute test flight.

But then on April 15, 2008, just two weeks after her first flight, disaster struck again. While on approach to Manching, the pilot, Walter Eichhorn, found out that the right main gear of the 109 wasn't locked. After several attempts he found himself forced to make a wheels-up landing. The "Rote Sieben" was damaged, but thanks to the superb landing of Eichhorn the damage was kept to a minimum. After the previous accident in 2005, this mend that yet another round of repairs where necessary. After the repairs were made the "Rote Sieben" made her first flight on February 19, 2009 with Walter Eichhorn as pilot.

(Source: http://www.touchdown-aviation.com/flying-legends/plane/messerschmitt-stiftung/messerschmitt-bf-109g-4-d-fwme.php)



Pics and video of the recovery from the field: http://localeyes.dk/66849-2816-forulykkede-messerschmitt-fly-bliver-fjernet/
   

[GScholz]

Nice video Gsholz.  That motorcanon barrel sure is large when you look at it head on.  I wonder how many Soviet pilots looked back or in their mirror, and the last thing they saw was it belching fire and smoke.

A lot. The Luftwaffe claimed about 40,000 soviet aircraft destroyed in air combat. Bud Anderson had such a "moment" too, but survived.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85-HYbvfNE

Ignore the silly narrator and animation, just listen to Anderson.

[surfinn]

humm wood prop. Might be a game idea in that picture

[GScholz]

Wartime 109G had metal prop.

[Charge]

"I recall reading that the Germans found the Spitfire more forgiving on the ground than the Bf109."

That is probably because the landing gear has softer suspension in Spitty due to being designed on rougher grass airfields. Spit is also prone for pirouetting upon landing due to narrow gear but it is not fatal as in 109 as Spitty is not likely to turn over when it happens.

Finnish 109 pilots said that in their opinion German pilots generally landed with much greater speeds than necessary and that especially when landing on concrete airstrips where the 109 was dangerous if the landing speed was too high. If the plane started veering and bouncing on concrete it meant a disaster a second away.

As the landing gear leg attachment point is rather weak the suspension is made relatively stiff probably not to allow sideways loading and thus the aircraft likes to rise on the other landing gear if it starts veering, only making things worse. If the suspension was looser it would more likely cause the attachment to break off earlier but it would also prevent the aircraft from turning over and more possibly killing or injuring the pilot.

-C+

[GScholz]

Spitfire was also prone to ground-looping, and it often killed its pilots in such incidents. The early 109s up to and including the E model would almost certainly kill the pilot in a ground-loop, that's why they designed a stronger canopy for the F/G series onward that helped somewhat. It's the reason for the often lamented heavy framing of later 109 canopies.