Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.

[Karnak]

The Spit VIII and IX are very much deadlier, firepowerwise.  No question.

[Butcher]

The Spit VIII and IX are very much deadlier, firepowerwise.  No question.

Of course, I still think the Spit 8/9 are better as they are pure dogfighters, Yak (especially russian planes) are pure energy fighters. I'm willing to bet once the shock of the Yak-3 wears off that K/D drops. I'd like to see a graph 5 months from now to get an accurate picture.

In my opinion the Yak3 is easier to fly then the La7, which is ironic because I never learned or could fly an La7 and its far superior in every way.

[bustr]

Out to 250 yards the ShVAK 20mm shoots fast and very flat with little dispersion. If you are able to hit what you aim at with it.

Basically all rounds are 96g.
700-800 rpm
HEI 770 m\sec 2.8g HE + 3.3g incendiary, TNT as explosive.
HEI-T 770 m\sec 2.8g HE + 3.3g incendiary, tracer fill, TNT as explosive.
API 750 m\sec solid steel core + incendiary
API-T 750 m\sec solid steel core + incendiary, tracer element


MG151\20
Average round weight is 117g
700-720 m\sec
600-750 rpm
HE up to 5g nitropenta some rounds semi AP.
M-Gesch 18g HA41 (hexogen aluminium), MK108 has 85g HA41.
Tracer as a filled round specifically with tracer element.

HS.404
600-850 rpm dependant on version.
840-880 m\sec dependant on version and barrel length.
HE and HEI: 130 g, filler 6 to 11 g
AP-T: 168 g

[Karnak]

Table with ENY added:

Plane	Kills	Deaths	K/D Ratio	ENY
P-51D	11629	8991	1.29	5
Spitfire Mk XVI	6612	5829	1.13	5
La-7	6403	4881	1.31	5
F6F-5	5088	5310	0.96	12
N1K2	4840	4555	1.06	8
Fw 190D-9	5798	3436	1.69	12
Bf 109K-4	4468	3309	1.35	15
F4u-1A	4181	2939	1.42	12
P-47M	4411	2565	1.72	8
F4U-1D	3760	4664	0.81	9
Ki-84-Ia	4163	2670	1.56	20
A-20G	3520	2622	1.34	15
Yak-3	3436	2434	1.41	18

[Reaper90]

Steaming pile of horse poop.

I haven't run across one yet that I couldn't equal or beat with the La5FN. Short clip and single cannon, does a lot of things well but not much of anything significantly better than a lot of other planes with similar eny. Ki84 is a perfect example. 

If the Yak 3 eny needs to be reduced...... La7 would have to be perked like a Tempest, and Dora would maybe be perked too.

[SmokinLoon]

Hmmm.... yeah, the Yak 3 is a easy mode plane to fly (does it all very well and is very forgiving),but really folks, it carries no ord, has rather short legs, has weak guns, has a very low ammo load.  So unless the you're in a 1v1 dog fight the Yak-3 really is a 1 trick pony.

The Yak-3 is the Micheal Flatley of Aces High. It can dance very well but it can't bomb, hunt bombers, attack ground targets, go very far, or even hit other fighters very hard, but it can dance up a storm then change costume and put on different music and look pretty good doing the same exact dance moves again.  Point being, it is the same dance each and every time out: it is a fighter killer and that is about it.

Cue the music!   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQGQPkFUE0A


 

[Bruv119]

I fear this is just another BnZers whine thread.

The yak-3 is easily defeated in a turn fight by most planes it is just the P51, 190D crowd where it is most annoying being nearly as quick and way more versatile.  Get a grip or just run faster at the first sight of a yak pilot that knows what he is doing.

[save]

Yak3 is fast enough to catch many early-mid 1944 planes, together with its generous E-keeping and cobra-like climb  its a hard catch if you are an aware Yak cartoon pilot.

You can get typically 2 kills and then need a tour-de-replenish.

Usage for the A-series has dropped, A8 is lowered to 20, its overused time is now over since the D9 with its upgraded radiator protection now in the game, making its older brothers antique against fighters compared.

PlaneName    Kills    Deaths       Kill/Death Ratio
Fw 190A-5    1781    1274     1.40
Fw 190A-8    3497    3438     1.02
Fw 190D-9    6074    3579            1.70
Fw 190F-8    825    918       0.90

I guess each of us should get a grip, and don't fly early 1944 birds, or hope the other guy is a inexperienced pilot (which is often the case when meeting a low-eny plane)

I do not know about you guys, but I think the Late War Arena should be a place for 1944-1945 planes, not only the best of the best, lowering ENY for the better ones is one way, and the YAK is among them.

[Bruv119]

Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to RTB at the mere sight of the yak-3 and whilst I agree late war is for the hot rods if you choose to fly high eny rides you can't sit here and say its' over modelled or perk it!    

go to mid war and fly your 190 A8.   Maybe that will suit you better.  

ENY is also judged on the impact that plane has on gameplay.  With minimal ammo how damaging is one fighter with 120 cannon rounds?

[save]

Luftwaffe pilots were ordered to RTB at the mere sight of the yak-3 and whilst I agree late war is for the hot rods if you choose to fly high eny rides you can't sit here and say its' over modelled or perk it!    

Go to mid war and fly your 190 A8.   Maybe that will suit you better.  

ENY is also judged on the impact that plane has on gameplay.  With minimal ammo how damaging is one fighter with 120 cannon rounds?

1 : AFAK The A8 is not available in mid-war,so no, I won't !!!

The A8 was a late-war plane that entered service with JG's just a month or two before Normandy landings.

2 : I do not currently fly the A8 so you are shooting blanks again.

You can  and probably do as I do, fly more challenging plane if you want to.

3 : I have never claimed that the yak3 is over-modelled, nor should it be perked, only that it should have a lower ENY to reflect its performance (plane performance, not its pilot).

Get the facts right.

[Karnak]

Its usage doesn't support that, save.

It is natural, given the nature of the MA, to see the most capable version of an airframe dominate the usage of that airframe.  It is true of A6Ms, Bf109s, Bf110s, Hurricanes, P-47s, P-51s and Spitfires.  The Fw190A-8 was an anomaly produced by its high ENY rating and when that changed the anomaly receded.  The F4U-1A is the best free version for air-to-air and the F4U-1D is the best free version for air-to-mud and that prevents a single F4U from dominating F4U airframe use.  The P-38J seems to be the chosen mount for many of the most fanatical P-38 fans for reasons not associated with ENY or, I suspect, the game and that distorts those numbers.

Keep in mind that my ride is also pretty much just screwed against a non-incompetent in a Yak-3 as well, and I don't have a newer version to switch to. I'll grant you I rarely play nowadays so it doesn't actually affect me that much.

[LCADolby]

Usage does not determine ENY, aircraft effectiveness does.

Yak3

High speed
Turns Well at speed
Retains E incredibly well
Dives Well
Accelerates quickly
Climbs well
Guns have very good ballistics
Guns are of high power
Low compression effect
High MA survivability
Exceptional visability


Dolby Yak3 Tour 162 - 105 for 20

[Karnak]

Usage does not determine ENY, aircraft effectiveness does.

Yak3

High speed
Turns Well at speed
Retains E incredibly well
Dives Well
Accelerates quickly
Climbs well
Guns have very good ballistics
Guns are of high power
Low compression effect
High MA survivability
Exceptional visability


Dolby Yak3 Tour 162 - 105 for 20

No Dolby, both do, but usage seems to play a larger part in it.


You list some positives and ignore any of the negatives such as short range, no multi-role capability and extremely limited ammo.  You also list a positive that is actually a negative, the guns are not high powered.  Assuming that six M2 .50s are the base average the Yak-3 is below average in firepower.

The lack of multi-role capability is a major negative in this game.

[LCADolby]

Better make the 262 18ENY Karnak.

[Karnak]

Better make the 262 18ENY Karnak.

Don't be daft.  Perk planes operate outside of those rules and you well know it.  Playing stupid does nothing good for a discussion.