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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2013, 11:45:39 PM »
I don't believe the ki is  5 eny. It can't dive past 450 above 300 it turns like a pig. Is decent in the 150-250 range does not have highspeed flaps and is only mildly more effective then some platforms at the vertical due to decent power. Now that being said it is decent in many aspects of a stall fight but does not excelled at any one area and you have to manage your position and energy well. The gun package on the ki is again decent and comparable to many fighters but not a knock out artist. I don't see an eny of 5 but could see it at 15-18 and feel 20 is fair. Its not an easy plan to be great it and a really easy plane to be spanked in. 

that being said it is my honest option and furthermore i feel based on what has been said the yak is right where it needs to be and maybe see it at 15 no lower.

wrong

extremely wrong

your opinion is wrong.



 :huh....you dont say......ya I do actually  :neener:

the only thing the KI does not excel at is high speed dives....now when I say High speed dives I am talking over 500...once you hit 500+ pieces will fall off.....every thing else it does great....much better then "decent"

it takes 450 easy right up to 500 it is still controllable.....albeit it needs gentile handling towards the 500 mark....but it certainly can dive up towards 480 with out an issue.

also it turns great at 300  :aok


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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2013, 01:43:03 AM »
Usage does not determine ENY, aircraft effectiveness does.

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I did 89 for 3     but I had to be very sparing with my ammo load to get more than 5 kills per sortie.  Haven't seen many people flying the Yak-3 maybe it is different at prime time.

Most American 50 cal planes would be double figures easy.   Thats why I fly a Spitfire because 7-8 per run is fairer for the opposition!  

So from this discussion we have learn't that the yak3 ENY is perfectly acceptable and with no perk.

The KI 84 and 190D  could stand to be reduced some more.    :lol
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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2013, 04:58:33 AM »


The KI 84 and 190D  could stand to be reduced some more.    :lol
Along with all spits be perked at 1,000,000 :neener:
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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2013, 05:04:29 AM »
Along with all spits be perked at 1,000,000 :neener:

lets have a clipped Spit V LFB  240 rounds, 
Spit mk XII griffon, 

and a Gloster Meteor Mk III perked at 100 a piece,  I can afford losing about 320 of them  ;)

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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2013, 08:15:04 AM »
Its usage doesn't support that, save.

It is natural, given the nature of the MA, to see the most capable version of an airframe dominate the usage of that airframe.  It is true of A6Ms, Bf109s, Bf110s, Hurricanes, P-47s, P-51s and Spitfires.  The Fw190A-8 was an anomaly produced by its high ENY rating and when that changed the anomaly receded.  The F4U-1A is the best free version for air-to-air and the F4U-1D is the best free version for air-to-mud and that prevents a single F4U from dominating F4U airframe use.  The P-38J seems to be the chosen mount for many of the most fanatical P-38 fans for reasons not associated with ENY or, I suspect, the game and that distorts those numbers.

Keep in mind that my ride is also pretty much just screwed against a non-incompetent in a Yak-3 as well, and I don't have a newer version to switch to. I'll grant you I rarely play nowadays so it doesn't actually affect me that much.

Is seems after analyzing the data that ENY has nothing to do with usage, or K/D ratio. So using those as arguments for ENY score is not valid.

ENY seems to be based on the planes ability. Total Ammo load, bomb load, and performance factors like Speed and Turn.  K/D and Usage are player choices that may or may not be an accurate reflection of the plane's capability. I would say based on the data, player choices are not at all in line with the planes capability with a few exceptions.
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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #65 on: August 26, 2013, 08:27:54 AM »
Is seems after analyzing the data that ENY has nothing to do with usage, or K/D ratio. So using those as arguments for ENY score is not valid.

ENY seems to be based on the planes ability. Total Ammo load, bomb load, and performance factors like Speed and Turn.  K/D and Usage are player choices that may or may not be an accurate reflection of the plane's capability. I would say based on the data, player choices are not at all in line with the planes capability with a few exceptions.
Explain the Mossie and P-40N then...

Or do you think the P-40N is remotely as capable as the Mosquito Mk VI?
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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #66 on: August 26, 2013, 08:31:13 AM »
wrong

extremely wrong

your opinion is wrong.



 :huh....you dont say......ya I do actually  :neener:

the only thing the KI does not excel at is high speed dives....now when I say High speed dives I am talking over 500...once you hit 500+ pieces will fall off.....every thing else it does great....much better then "decent"

it takes 450 easy right up to 500 it is still controllable.....albeit it needs gentile handling towards the 500 mark....but it certainly can dive up towards 480 with out an issue.

also it turns great at 300  :aok



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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2013, 08:34:08 AM »
Along with all spits be perked at 1,000,000 :neener:

If this were done, Pepprr would leave the game.   :frown: 

On the plus side...so would Midway!  :D :aok :banana:
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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #68 on: August 26, 2013, 08:47:23 AM »
*ruh row Raggie*   :O Someone went and insulted the Hayate in front of INK.  Get out...get out while you can!   :bolt:


no not at all, just correcting an erroneous opinion....and miss information. :P

there is a lot of that going around....been thinking about putting together a KI film....showing the things that it supposedly cant do...although finding a film of it doing 500 is gonna be hard....I don't chase anyone..

I do believe the ENY is to high on it. I would think it should be a 10....but I don't know how HTC determines ENY (I don't think any of us really understand) wouldn't matter to me at all if they changed it....well it would suk being stuck on the hi number side and not being able to fly my ride....or being able to switch.

really hate the 12 hr rule...last couple times I flew I switched because of the huge green hourde on my side....then literally within 15 minutes.....the new side I was on became the hourde :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead







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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #69 on: August 26, 2013, 08:59:29 AM »
Explain the Mossie and P-40N then...

Or do you think the P-40N is remotely as capable as the Mosquito Mk VI?

I don't have the data for those two planes on hand, nor their ENY.
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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #70 on: August 26, 2013, 09:16:05 AM »

no not at all, just correcting an erroneous opinion....and miss information. :P

there is a lot of that going around....been thinking about putting together a KI film....showing the things that it supposedly cant do...although finding a film of it doing 500 is gonna be hard....I don't chase anyone..

I do believe the ENY is to high on it. I would think it should be a 10....but I don't know how HTC determines ENY (I don't think any of us really understand) wouldn't matter to me at all if they changed it....well it would suk being stuck on the hi number side and not being able to fly my ride....or being able to switch.

really hate the 12 hr rule...last couple times I flew I switched because of the huge green hourde on my side....then literally within 15 minutes.....the new side I was on became the hourde :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead








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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #71 on: August 26, 2013, 09:30:21 AM »
I think I got one to go pretty fast last night in a dive but it is useless. If you touch the controls at speed it will fall apart.

i've definitely got it to go over 500 without ripping anything off...i've also had pieces come of at 505...but I pulled back a bit to hard... :o






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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #72 on: August 26, 2013, 09:54:13 AM »
I don't have the data for those two planes on hand, nor their ENY.
Mossie is ENY 30 and, as I recall, the P-40N is also ENY 30.

Mossie is much faster, better climbing, better armed, longer ranged and carries more ordnance.

P-40N rolls faster and, probably, turns better.
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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2013, 12:24:52 PM »
lets have a clipped Spit V LFB  240 rounds, 
Spit mk XII griffon, 

and a Gloster Meteor Mk III perked at 100 a piece,  I can afford losing about 320 of them  ;)

see what you started here Zach... 
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Re: Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.
« Reply #74 on: August 26, 2013, 12:27:45 PM »
Mossie is ENY 30 and, as I recall, the P-40N is also ENY 30.

Mossie is much faster, better climbing, better armed, longer ranged and carries more ordnance.

P-40N rolls faster and, probably, turns better.

Mossie
Top Speed = 380mph
Armament  =
Package 1    4x .303 MG, 500 rounds/gun
                 4x 20mm cannons, 150 rounds/gun
Package 2    4x .303 MG, 780 rounds/gun
                 4x 20mm cannons, 175 rounds/gun
Options    2x 500lb bombs
                 2x 250lb bombs
                 8x rockets
                 2x 50 gallon drop tanks
                 2x 100 gallon drop tanks

P40N
Top Speed = 350 mph
Armament = Not on the website. but IIRC....
                 6x.50cal 1800 rounds confirm?
                 2x1000 lb bombs confirm?

                  On paper that might end up a draw at ENY 30.
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