We were in a 5finger, would of been flying W-to-E, N of the 210. It wasnt Executive Sweet (B-25) from Camarillo with us (or anyone, we were not being tailed on the way up... we think), they left about midday for big bear. Hard to see at 8500 above you, but would of been zero (white bottom) lead, the two cats (navy blue) on the right wing and the mustang and spitfire on the left wing (both have flat grey bottoms, so like the zero).