Soviet IS-2 Heavy Tank

[Vinkman]

+1

Strengths and plenty of flaws to keep it from unbalancing game play.

[Tank-Ace]

Of course I can, I will post some photos soon enough of different sources.

This is where your German iron BEATS ALL thinking is just completely wrong. Unless the IS-2 gets in a shooting match beyond 2k the IS-2 will lose. However in Aces High my typical shooting match is under 1500 where the IS-2 can do just fine.
at 1.5k or under the IS-2 can beat any german armor. In fact the IS-2 can destroy a Tiger at 1500m and a Panther at 2000m. Only the Optics made the difference, the Russians had inferior optics to the Germans.

Considering it can kill any german tank, and knock down town heavily? It might be a nice town destroyer that can actually defeat tanks too (unlike our M4-75). I fully support a heavy assault tank.

 

How often do you actually tank? You should know that as long as the IS 2 can be penetrated, whoever acquires the range first will win in most cases.

You should also already know that the Germans have an advantage in that area, and that the IS 2 is at a disadvantage even to other Russian tanks, due to firing only once every 20 seconds.

Would the IS 2  be a decent assault tank? Sure, possibly the best one we could add, baring prototypes. But it falls short in the anti tank role, which is most of AH ground combat.


@ Vinkman,    it's essentially a 5" gun. If you can't kill it, you can sure beat the hell out of it. Of course you wound need an M3, or several other tanks. One probably would want to carry mostly AP shells, kill ack, and then focus on killing attacking tanks.

[Butcher]

How often do you actually tank? You should know that as long as the IS 2 can be penetrated, whoever acquires the range first will win in most cases.

Nvm not going to argue with someone who has no clue. Fact is the IS-2 can penetrate any german tank, you claim its useless. Prove its useless.

[Tank-Ace]

Then you shouldn't be as ignorant as you are.

[Butcher]

Then you shouldn't be as ignorant as you are.

Jager's General Stats for Late War Tour 138
Total Sorties: 489
Total Sortie Time:  2 days 01:12:45

287 Kills   306 Deaths
Panzer IV H   23   35   16   38
Tiger 2   49   7   1   3

So your an expert in this game with not even 100 kills in a ground vehicle per tour?

Tour 139 Lets just see what I did that tour if I played:

Butcher's General Stats for Late War Tour 139
Total Sorties: 713
Total Sortie Time:  5 days 04:50:03

2257 Kills   292 Deaths

Panther G   645   13   11   26
T-34/85   801   163   33   105

Stats don't lie, I believe I know enough about the ground war. Barely 100 kills and you are an expert? give me a break you might learn to shut up and listen to someone with experience sometime. I'm not wanting to argue with you Tank, just trying to get you to realize I do have the information handy, you could just message me sometime and I can email you some books to read, your comments about the IS-2 being useless is a joke, considering if you ever tanked in Aces high you'd realize not all fights are at 3,000m.

[Tank-Ace]

You know I left for two years. Don't twist things.

Also, those stats must be off, since I only upped one Tiger II.

[Butcher]

You know I left for two years. Don't twist things.

Also, those stats must be off, since I only upped one Tiger II.

It shows 49 kills 3 deaths, probably the tour the Tiger 2 was half priced.

[Tank-Ace]

Oh yeah... Forget about that. Was working with the forest service that summer.

[Vinkman]

Jager's General Stats for Late War Tour 138
Total Sorties: 489
Total Sortie Time:  2 days 01:12:45

287 Kills   306 Deaths
Panzer IV H   23   35   16   38
Tiger 2   49   7   1   3

So your an expert in this game with not even 100 kills in a ground vehicle per tour?

Tour 139 Lets just see what I did that tour if I played:

Butcher's General Stats for Late War Tour 139
Total Sorties: 713
Total Sortie Time:  5 days 04:50:03

2257 Kills   292 Deaths

Panther G   645   13   11   26
T-34/85   801   163   33   105

Stats don't lie, I believe I know enough about the ground war. Barely 100 kills and you are an expert? give me a break you might learn to shut up and listen to someone with experience sometime. I'm not wanting to argue with you Tank, just trying to get you to realize I do have the information handy, you could just message me sometime and I can email you some books to read, your comments about the IS-2 being useless is a joke, considering if you ever tanked in Aces high you'd realize not all fights are at 3,000m.

I think we know who the real tank ace is.  Incredible butcher.

[Wmaker]

I welcome any Soviet heavy armor. With only two Soviet vehicles in game, there's a huge historic gap there as far as eastern front goes.

[Chalenge]

It shows the tank entered combat in February 1944, however closest I can find it actually was used was May 1944.

Well, since the T-34s are already in game this would really help fill out the Russian armor, but I think the larger, more prevalent (common) tank battles did not include this one. I don't think it's needed, but it qualifies.

@Wmaker, there is a huge gap on all sides when it comes to armor. I realize it seems like the other sides are filled out, but it isn't true. Not by a long shot.

[Wmaker]

@Wmaker, there is a huge gap on all sides when it comes to armor. I realize it seems like the other sides are filled out, but it isn't true. Not by a long shot.

I realize that Soviet armor is not the only gap. However, historically speaking it is by far the biggest gap, that's a no brainer. Simply by looking at the scale of fighting which went on eastern front compared to the western ETO. You've said before that the events in the real war hardly matter in the LWMA. That may be, but I find it infinitely more sensible and logical to add units (As long as they have a use in the game, and competetive GVs in this case, do.) in the objective order of importance instead of "because its American and *I* want it" -type of reasoning.

And then of course there's the special events. Most scenarios with heavy GV involvement have been later war eastern front Scenarios such as Niemen, Stalin's Fourth and Kurland.

At best it would unbalance vehicles too much.

It wouldn't unbalance anything. AH has a perk system which seems to work rather well overall.

[Butcher]

There is a ton of Russian armor needed before the IS-2, however the IS-2 can be added in Aces high. I don't vote on it, I rather would have the SU-100 and Su-85 something I know can combat tiger tanks to balance the system out.

Other tanks like the KV-1 would help EW, Su-76 for MW, Su-85/100 for LWA.

KV Series go from EW to LW as well.

[Wmaker]

Yep, I personally think that Su-100 should be the next tank/tank destroyer.

Historically speaking Su-76 self propelled artillery vehicle was hugely important with almost 15000 produced. In many ways it was to Red Army what Il-2 was for the VVS. But Su-76 just doesn't really have much use in the game outside of eastern front scenarios.

[Paladin3]

Exactly what we need, another Soviet tank that is nearly unkillable. No thanks.