Bomber auto-guns when on the scope

[Vudoo]

In WW2 just because the bombardier went on the bombscope didn't mean the gunners stopped defending their bomber.  In Aces High unfortunately it does.  Go onto the scope, no guns and you are a sitting duck.  I would like see to a modification whereby if you are on the scope, the bombers guns go to auto-guns to maintain some form of defense during the bomb run.

[Nashorn]

I don't think the bombers in AH are in need of better defense, they are already much harder to kill than in real life

[Krusty]

You can always make another pass. Stay in the guns and defend yourself, then turn around. It's really that easy. Or have an escort. Or have a friend gun for you.

No to "otto."

[SirNuke]

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[Lusche]

In WW2 just because the bombardier went on the bombscope didn't mean the gunners stopped defending their bomber. 

They also didn't have the ability for one pilot flying three planes at ones or firing a dozen different guns on different planes at once all by himself...   

[Vudoo]

All valid points. Disregard my dumb idea.

[R 105]

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I don't think the bombers in AH are in need of better defense, they are already much harder to kill than in real life

I agree' If bombers were this hard to shoot down then the allies would not have had to spend time and money to develop the P-51 to escort bombers deep into Germany and the bomber fleets would have shoot down the entire Luftwaffe by 1943.

[Nashorn]

All valid points. Disregard my dumb idea.

no one said it was a dumb idea, it just is not what is needed in AH at the moment 

[Lusche]

The RL loss rates of bombers totally dwarf in comparison to their loss rate in AH.
Even the Black Thusday, though suffering horrendous losses, had still most of it's planes returning to England. A comparable bomber raid in AH meeting the same resolute defense would be wiped out, literally.

The last big enemy buff mission I ran into was on compello. About 10 or so formations of B-17s, with themain group flying in perfect tight formation at 'only' (for AH) 22k at typical AH speeds, this time well covered by (mostly) 47 and 51 escorts at about 30k.
Not one single bomber ever reached the strats, not one. If they had flown at typical RL speeds than AH MA speeds, they would most probably not even have survived crossing the coastline.

Imagine what would happen to buffs in AH if fighter pilots would stop simply insisting on attacking from plain 6 o clock, which 9 out of 10 will invariably do. 

[Arlo]

The RL loss rates of bombers totally dwarf in comparison to their loss rate in AH.
Even the Black Thusday, though suffering horrendous losses, had still most of it's planes returning to England. A comparable bomber raid in AH meeting the same resolute defense would be wiped out, literally.

The last big enemy buff mission I ran into was on compello. About 10 or so formations of B-17s, with themain group flying in perfect tight formation at 'only' (for AH) 22k at typical AH speeds, this time well covered by (mostly) 47 and 51 escorts at about 30k.
Not one single bomber ever reached the strats, not one. If they had flown at typical RL speeds than AH MA speeds, they would most probably not even have survived crossing the coastline.

Imagine what would happen to buffs in AH if fighter pilots would stop simply insisting on attacking from plain 6 o clock, which 9 out of 10 will invariably do. 

Was that after the 'wingman link' patch?

[Rob52240]

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MILLION

[Lusche]

Was that after the 'wingman link' patch?

Yes.

[Arlo]

Yes.

You should have had 27 bombers shooting at you (if not 30).

[Lusche]

Can't follow you...

[Arlo]

The last big enemy buff mission I ran into was on compello. About 10 or so formations of B-17s, with themain group flying in perfect tight formation at 'only' (for AH) 22k at typical AH speeds, this time well covered by (mostly) 47 and 51 escorts at about 30k.

10 or so formations x 9 on 'wingman link' = at least nine players manning guns + escorts = none of them making it to target?