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Offline Karnak

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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #150 on: October 13, 2013, 11:27:59 AM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on October 13, 2013, 11:03:25 AM
Or you could just fly the Mk IX... I mean, we do have other models for a reason.
Oh the howls of outrage you'd get if you suggested that somebody just use the Bf109G-2 if they want the gondolas they're asking for on the Bf109F-4.
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #151 on: October 13, 2013, 11:58:27 AM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on October 13, 2013, 11:03:25 AM
Or you could just fly the Mk IX... I mean, we do have other models for a reason.

Not the same for many reasons. The LF Mk.VC was engineered for low level combat, whereas the current F Mk.IX is not. The closest would the LF Mk.IX, or Mk.XVI. So, what would you rather face, the LF Mk.VC or the Mk.XVI?

LF.Mk.VC....

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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #152 on: October 13, 2013, 01:12:34 PM »
Minus the roll rate, wouldn't performance be roughly comparable?
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #153 on: October 13, 2013, 02:07:55 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on October 13, 2013, 01:12:34 PM
Minus the roll rate, wouldn't performance be roughly comparable?

No, not at all....

Spit LF.Mk.VC:





Spit F.Mk.IX:



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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #154 on: October 13, 2013, 10:03:57 PM »
Low altitude, it certainly looks fairly close.
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #155 on: October 13, 2013, 10:36:32 PM »
Spit F.IX doesn't climb anywhere near that fast down low and is also slower.
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #156 on: October 13, 2013, 11:05:45 PM »
Unless I'm misreading the charts, they're about tied for speed (about 5mph different at most) and the Mk IX is about 200-300fpm better in the climb.

Now you have to admit neither of those numbers is going to make or break a fight in 90% of cases. Hardly enough to even put it above the bottom sixth of the to-do list.



Out of curiosity, when did this thing serve?
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #157 on: October 14, 2013, 12:02:58 AM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on October 13, 2013, 11:05:45 PM

Out of curiosity, when did this thing serve?

1942.
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #158 on: October 14, 2013, 07:10:17 AM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on October 13, 2013, 11:05:45 PM
Unless I'm misreading the charts, they're about tied for speed (about 5mph different at most) and the Mk IX is about 200-300fpm better in the climb.

Now you have to admit neither of those numbers is going to make or break a fight in 90% of cases. Hardly enough to even put it above the bottom sixth of the to-do list.



Out of curiosity, when did this thing serve?

That chart shows the LF.Mk V at 4700fpm initially and the F.Mk IX at 4400fpm initially.  The F.Mk IX in AH does about 3700fpm initially.


In AH the F.Mk IX hits 350mph at about 7500ft:
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #159 on: October 14, 2013, 07:20:44 AM »
Quote from: Widewing on October 14, 2013, 12:02:58 AM
1942.

The first F IX (BR581) was delivered to 64 Sqd on 10 June 1942.
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #160 on: October 14, 2013, 04:18:56 PM »
Until this thread, I never really got into spitfire designations, confusing so far...

Anyways, WIDEWING, please, what say you about any versions of the spit16 seeing combat? Any logged kills, or even losses?
600 total in june of 45' then? 
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #161 on: October 14, 2013, 05:34:40 PM »
Quote from: Franz Von Werra on October 14, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Until this thread, I never really got into spitfire designations, confusing so far...

Anyways, WIDEWING, please, what say you about any versions of the spit16 seeing combat? Any logged kills, or even losses?
600 total in june of 45' then? 
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You really can't be this dense Schlowy, the production/service/combat history and numbers have already been posted in this thread and other threads that have been referenced in this one.  It is clearly documented that the Spitfire Mk XIV was produced in numbers, saw operational service on the squadron level and saw combat operations.  Why you refuse to accept these facts, I have no idea but the facts have been laid out for you to see.

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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #162 on: October 14, 2013, 06:40:40 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on October 14, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
You really can't be this dense Schlowy, the production/service/combat history and numbers have already been posted in this thread and other threads that have been referenced in this one.  It is clearly documented that the Spitfire Mk XIV was produced in numbers, saw operational service on the squadron level and saw combat operations.  Why you refuse to accept these facts, I have no idea but the facts have been laid out for you to see.

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Spit14? We were talking spit16... DUH, learn the alphabet and to count! : P
And only saw two posts for numbers, 27 that did ground attack and about 600 based in England of both usa and england made...

Please don't just point at a website peoples, post website and numbers made etc.
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #163 on: October 14, 2013, 08:28:01 PM »
LOL Werra. RCAF had 4 squadrons (403, 416, 421, 443) of 127 Wing at Evere that took casualties on Jan 1 1945. Evere is continental Europe. 403 Sqd made 7 claims (4 Fw190, 3 Bf109).

What is this 'usa and england made'? Afaik no Spitfires were made in the USA.
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Re: Clarifications about the Spitfire Mk IX and XVI
« Reply #164 on: October 14, 2013, 09:24:14 PM »
With two minutes of searching, the earliest combat loss I can find with the Mk XVI is a single loss on the 9th of November 1944. There might be an earlier loss.

I can find the following RAF squadrons that operated the Mk XVI in 1944 and 1945 and lost aircraft in combat:

66
124
126
127
322
451
452
453
502
504
601
602
604

That's far from exhaustive, just a quick scroll through a Mk XVI produciton list.
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