Hi Tech needed!

[earl1937]

  An open wish to Hi Tech! Without question, this is the best flight sim game on line, but, we need your help! It happened again last night! I had a mission posted from an aircraft carrier, with 31 players in the mish. Just as soon as the mish launched, some idiot turned the boat! Of course, all kinds of crashes and confusion prevailed! There is no excuse for this, as you, sir, have the authority to correct something which is totally uncalled for. IF A PERSON POST'S A MISSION FROM A CV, FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE MISSION IS POSTED, NO ONE, NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE CONTROL OF THAT CV UNTIL AFTER THE MISSION LAUNCHES, EXCEPT THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE MISSION, IN CASE IT HAD TO BE TURNED DUE TO AN ATTACK, THEN HE COULD DELAY THE TAKEOFF OF THE MISSION!! We are only talking about a 10 or 12 minute period of time which the CV is tied up, launching the mission. I don't want hear any of this BS about the lowest ranked pilot being able to control the boat during a posted mission, because that doesn't fly!! We are not talking about tieing up the boat for 20 or 30 minutes, just the time in which the mission is posted!

[Arlo]

Locking the CV on a straight course for a period of time for a mission to take off can be
inviting trouble. 'Only' a 10 to 12 minute time-frame can very well get your carrier and
cruiser, for that matter, sunk. Also, think of the potential mission-griefer. Just one guy
setting up a mission, cancelling the mission, setting it up again could prevent a CV from
changing course indefinitely.

VF-17 operates off CVs quite a bit. Waiting for a CV to stop turning is just another mild
inconvenience.

[kvuo75]

or learn how to take off from a turning cv 

[Aspen]

I've seen this happen, but never when someone had command and put out on country that a mission was using the cv.

[The Fugitive]

An open wish to Hi Tech! Without question, this is the best flight sim game on line, but, we need your help! It happened again last night! I had a mission posted from an aircraft carrier, with 31 players in the mish. Just as soon as the mish launched, some idiot turned the boat! Of course, all kinds of crashes and confusion prevailed! There is no excuse for this, as you, sir, have the authority to correct something which is totally uncalled for. IF A PERSON POST'S A MISSION FROM A CV, FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE MISSION IS POSTED, NO ONE, NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE CONTROL OF THAT CV UNTIL AFTER THE MISSION LAUNCHES, EXCEPT THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE MISSION, IN CASE IT HAD TO BE TURNED DUE TO AN ATTACK, THEN HE COULD DELAY THE TAKEOFF OF THE MISSION!! We are only talking about a 10 or 12 minute period of time which the CV is tied up, launching the mission. I don't want hear any of this BS about the lowest ranked pilot being able to control the boat during a posted mission, because that doesn't fly!! We are not talking about tieing up the boat for 20 or 30 minutes, just the time in which the mission is posted!

First, learn to take off from a turning CV. It's not that tough to do.

Second with the new text message posted each time someone turns a CV it is easy to figure out who turned it. Knowing this info can be great in "griefing" the person back ....for the rest of the night or until he logs 

Third, having the ability to lock the CV on course can and WILL be used by other players to sink CVs.

Forth, another option is to have the highest ranking person in your mission to take control of the CV group. This would cut down the odds of someone coming in and turning it for laughs as you launch.

There are more down sides to your wish than the one up.

[earl1937]

First, learn to take off from a turning CV. It's not that tough to do.

Second with the new text message posted each time someone turns a CV it is easy to figure out who turned it. Knowing this info can be great in "griefing" the person back ....for the rest of the night or until he logs  

Third, having the ability to lock the CV on course can and WILL be used by other players to sink CVs.

Forth, another option is to have the highest ranking person in your mission to take control of the CV group. This would cut down the odds of someone coming in and turning it for laughs as you launch.

There are more down sides to your wish than the one up.

You guys just crack me up! How many of you can takeoff when inside someone else aircraft, also trying to takeoff. Of course, these responses to the post is about what I expected. You are not really interested in improving the game, just lam blast anyone else who does want to improve the game. How about this, "for the 3 minutes prior to launch, no one else can take control of boat until after launch of mission? And yes, I take off from carriers quite a few times with the boat turning!!

[Lusche]

You guys just crack me up! How many of you can takeoff when inside someone else aircraft, also trying to takeoff.

F3. That's why it's there

Of course, these responses to the post is about what I expected. You are not really interested in improving the game, just lam blast anyone else who does want to improve the game. How about this, "for the 3 minutes prior to launch, no one else can take control of boat until after launch of mission?

I only lambaste ideas that are being posted from a very limited point of view without taking account the further implications of it beyond the very small point they try to "fix". Just like this one. 

[Arlo]

You are not really interested in improving the game ...

No, Earl. I understand your frustration but improving the game entails
more than just implementing a 'fix' without taking the possible consequences
into consideration. We are discussing those potential consequences with you.
Taking umbrage ends such a discussion, entirely. If you have suggestions that
address our concerns in a productive way and would be practical to implement
then here is your opportunity to provide them.

[The Fugitive]

You guys just crack me up! How many of you can takeoff when inside someone else aircraft, also trying to takeoff. Of course, these responses to the post is about what I expected. You are not really interested in improving the game, just lam blast anyone else who does want to improve the game. How about this, "for the 3 minutes prior to launch, no one else can take control of boat until after launch of mission? And yes, I take off from carriers quite a few times with the boat turning!!

Sticking to your narrow point of view is more of a problem than the "suggestions" I posted. Lusche posted a very good reply.

[earl1937]

F3. That's why it's there

I only lambaste ideas that are being posted from a very limited point of view without taking account the further implications of it beyond the very small point they try to "fix". Just like this one. 

I don't use F3 or F8, I stay where I belong, in the pilots seat! Of course you guys want to insist on making this a "arcade" game. Since when did you ever see a CV commander turn his boat while launching a mission? Its is not done in real life and shouldn't be done in here. As for as posting in country text buffer, Mission posted, no one is supposed to be able to see it but the guys in my country! Are you saying someone is cheating by reading my countries Text buffer? Shame on you, you know no one cheats in here!

[Halo46]

I don't use F3 or F8, I stay where I belong, in the pilots seat! Of course you guys want to insist on making this a "arcade" game. Since when did you ever see a CV commander turn his boat while launching a mission? Its is not done in real life and shouldn't be done in here. As for as posting in country text buffer, Mission posted, no one is supposed to be able to see it but the guys in my country! Are you saying someone is cheating by reading my countries Text buffer? Shame on you, you know no one cheats in here!

Earl, Sir, you are letting this game get to you. Your wish/suggestions are not as helpful as you think they are, at least the two I have responded to. You are not taking it well when someone has a differing opinion. This is and always will be a computer game and will never, nor should it ever be expected to be, a simulation of real life. There are facets of a game, such as launching from a turning carrier, which a player must deal with. Do you want to see whines? Join an FSO or scenario where the carrier is turned for what ever reason on launch.

Like your wish to get rid of an aircraft you personally do not care about for one you might like, this wish is narrow minded and only suffices to "fix" something you "personally" do not like about it. You should not prepare a naval mission if you can not control the cv or find a scorewhur who will take command for you. That is the fix to your problem, I am sorry you do not like it, but it really is as simple as that. The other posters gave you remedies while enjoying themselves a small bit at your naivete, but they were being nice by comparison to many others who use these boards. Respect and understanding go a long way. You seem to have earned many persons' respect in game, but on the boards, you are starting to lose some by posts like these. Just my opinion, no one elses.

 

[Arlo]

I don't use F3 or F8, I stay where I belong, in the pilots seat! Of course you guys want to insist on making this a "arcade" game. Since when did you ever see a CV commander turn his boat while launching a mission? Its is not done in real life and shouldn't be done in here. As for as posting in country text buffer, Mission posted, no one is supposed to be able to see it but the guys in my country! Are you saying someone is cheating by reading my countries Text buffer? Shame on you, you know no one cheats in here!

What's it with this 'you guys' thing? I take off in the cockpit, too.

If it's total realism you want then the CV would have to turn into the wind for
both landings and take-offs, your plane would be spotted on the deck beforehand,
you all would take off in order. Regrettably, 2 of 3 is not practical in AHII. The
game allows players to spawn at will and doesn't require 'wind over the deck' for
take-off. If you want to mimic realism for a mission off a CV then take off in called
order and have someone on the bridge to alert for a turning ship to suspend take-
offs, if necessary.

[Lusche]

I don't use F3 or F8, I stay where I belong, in the pilots seat! Of course you guys want to insist on making this a "arcade" game. Since when did you ever see a CV commander turn his boat while launching a mission? Its is not done in real life and shouldn't be done in here. As for as posting in country text buffer, Mission posted, no one is supposed to be able to see it but the guys in my country! Are you saying someone is cheating by reading my countries Text buffer? Shame on you, you know no one cheats in here!

Once more are totally ignoring the real objections that had been raised and explained to you. Instead discussing the problems rationally and dealing with the arguments given, you are trying to turn this thing into some personal EGO stuff by using mere presumptions.
And that you refuse to use the tools made available to exactly for this very reason is your own problem. Don't try to fix your self imposed restrictions by introducing game mechanisms with severe drawbacks.

[earl1937]

Earl, Sir, you are letting this game get to you. Your wish/suggestions are not as helpful as you think they are, at least the two I have responded to. You are not taking it well when someone has a differing opinion. This is and always will be a computer game and will never, nor should it ever be expected to be, a simulation of real life. There are facets of a game, such as launching from a turning carrier, which a player must deal with. Do you want to see whines? Join an FSO or scenario where the carrier is turned for what ever reason on launch.

Like your wish to get rid of an aircraft you personally do not care about for one you might like, this wish is narrow minded and only suffices to "fix" something you "personally" do not like about it. You should not prepare a naval mission if you can not control the cv or find a scorewhur who will take command for you. That is the fix to your problem, I am sorry you do not like it, but it really is as simple as that. The other posters gave you remedies while enjoying themselves a small bit at your naivete, but they were being nice by comparison to many others who use these boards. Respect and understanding go a long way. You seem to have earned many persons' respect in game, but on the boards, you are starting to lose some by posts like these. Just my opinion, no one elses.

 

I don't see where fixing a problem,(CV launches with posted missions), should be a problem for anyone. BTW, this wish is not just my point of view, as plenty of players in the game have complained about the same thing before.

[Randy1]

Sticking to your narrow point of view is more of a problem than the "suggestions" I posted. Lusche posted a very good reply.

Earl has done more with pickup missions than anyone else I Know or know of.  I was on that mission.   I got off but I was lucky.  Those of you that have negative comments don't have a clue what happened.

Earl takes a big group that have rarely flown together, molds them into a pickup mission in just a few minutes.  He does that with with understanding for the newbie as well as the veteran. If you blow your assignment, "That's okay buddy."  he might say.

Learn to take off on a Hard turning CV with full load out can be done but do that with 30 planes taking off, you guys just don't know.

A big +1 Earl.