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Offline Sundowner

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F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« on: September 24, 2013, 03:13:52 PM »
First pilotless F-16 flight.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24231077

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http://www.boeing.com/boeing/Features/2013/09/bds_qf16_09_23_13.page
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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 03:21:17 PM »
A years .... and years .... and years old practice.

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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 03:52:48 PM »
first i've heard of it. looks like it won't be too much longer before all the "aces" in ah could get jobs flying military jets for a living. i wonder if they are supporting the occulus rift in that setup...  :lol
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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 03:59:50 PM »
http://sabre-pilots.org/classics/v61nolo.htm

THE NOLO SABRES

Civilian Operators and Army/Navy Drone Sabres

by Larry Davis

            During the 1970s, the US government acquired large quantities of Sabre air frames, mostly Canadalr and Mitsubishi manufacture. Their use varied from that of target tug to unmanned drone. And more than a few were flown as aggressor aircraft, much to the chagrin of unknowing F-14 and F-4 pilots. Flight Systems Incorporated, based at Mojave, California, was one of the main civil contractors to use the Sabre. They acquired some 55 Canadair CL-13A Sabre Mk. S aircraft, 6 CL-13B Sabre Mk. 6s, and a number of Mitsubishi F-86F and RF-86F aircraft.

            The Sabres were used as high altitude remote piloted vehicles, commonly called a Full Scale Aerial Target or FSAT. Most were modified using the Vega Precision Laboratories ground control system, or the IBM Drone Formation Control System (DFCS). Externally, the F-86 drones usually had no gun ports, and had a small antenna either atop or underneath the nose intake. There were large, black antenna panels midway down the fuselage sides, and a Vega System antenna cable on the left side of the aft fuselage. Some had large antenna panels in the fin tip.

            The FSI aircraft were used to test new munitions, ECM pods, flares; and to test new air-to-air or surf ace-to-air missile systems. Except for 'live-fire' missile tests, the Sabres were flown with a human pilot aboard. On 'live-fire' missions, the Sabres were flown by a controller in the Vega Systems van on the ground. 'Live-Fire' missions used missiles without warheads. If the 'live-fire' mission resulted in a hit or near-miss that crippled the drone Sabre, the aircraft had a self-destruct panel so that the ground controller could destroy the Sabre.

            The US Army utilized a number of these FSAT Sabres during tests of the Stinger shoulder-fired, heat seeking surface-to-air missile at Holloman AFB, New Mexico, and to monitor the 'live-fire' test flights of the new Pershing II missile. The US Navy had a similar operation utilizing FSAT Sabres, both F and H models, at the Naval Weapons Center, China take NAS. The US Air Force operated several FSAT Sabres for weapons tests at Edwards AFB.

            Army drone Sabres were all designated QF-86E, as most owed their ancestry to Cariadair Sabres of some type. Air Force and Navy designated their FSAT Sabres based on the original type, i.e. QF-86F-40 and QRF-86F. The Navy had a number of ex-National Guard Hs, that were operated by VX-4 as aggressor aircraft in the TOP GUN program. The QF-86H looked and flew a similar flight envelope to the MiG-17, which US forces were still encountering in the skies over North Vietnam. The drone Sabre 'live-fire' missions are flown NOLO, or No Onboard Live Operator. Since no warheads were fitted to the 'live-fire' missiles attempting to shoot down the FSAT Sabres, the drone aircraft could be flown again and again, unless an unlucky hit resulted in catastrophic damage. It was then that the Vega ground controller would use the self-destruct mechanism. However, the Sabres were a tough breed, and one Army QF-86E survived 17 missile attacks.

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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 04:35:17 PM »
This event may not be seen as a good thing for pilots. It will probably be a saying like "the day the F-16 dropped the pilot" or similar.

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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 05:47:43 PM »
     Considering I was watching ramp fulls of QF-100s and 102s back in 1983, this revelation is
a great big bunch of big deal.  Funny thing is, the F4es we were using back then are now probably
being replaced by the F-16s as drone platforms  :D
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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 07:38:56 PM »
A years .... and years .... and years old practice.

Perhaps the OP was unclear...

First pilotless F-16 flight.



Sorry for any confusion. :)

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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 08:38:04 PM »
Perhaps the OP was unclear...

Sorry for any confusion. :)

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It's not confusing at all. F-16s have made the rotation for drone duty. Retired fighter jet drones. Someday there may be F-22 orange-tailed drones (probably not in my lifetime).

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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 12:11:55 AM »
I never thought I see a day that my favorite jet becomes a drone.  :(
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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 01:06:48 AM »
At the moment there is no tech that can transfer imagery with the quality and definiton of a Mk1 Eyeball at high speed and low latency too a remote operator.

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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 03:33:50 AM »
Ahhhhhh the good old days..walking the flight Line counting Rivets on our f16s tdy at Clark AB.   :rolleyes:
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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 07:36:42 AM »
It'll wreck me to see a Tomcat drone. Then again, it may be too expensive an option.

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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 11:33:50 AM »
I was staying at DM AFB when the base paper announced the last of the QF4's being sent out. They did all the retrofitting and then test flights there at DM. Afterwards it was ferried to the location where it would find it's final fate depending on how mant times it took to get a hit on it. From what I read some time ago, the F86 sabres gave F14 pilots fits trying to gun it down. Seems it could make a nice break turn.

Sad to see the old planes go that way but being scrapped for the metal is hardly more dignified.
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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2013, 01:54:53 PM »
Perhaps there's a bright side to this. Now that they have a system that works for the Falcon who's to say it couldn't be used as a force multiplier/diversion on a strike? They carry plenty of ord and you're not real concerned about bringing them home, so they could take on high risk/heavily defended targets to soften them for the manned attack without risking higher value aircraft.
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Re: F-16 jet takes off with empty cockpit
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 05:17:58 PM »
At the moment there is no tech that can transfer imagery with the quality and definiton of a Mk1 Eyeball at high speed and low latency too a remote operator.

actually its alot closer than you think...... I see it at work, and we are just about there.
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