NYC Bikers chase down SUV

[Scherf]

Well, I used to think I wished ill to no man, but from what I've read about these pukes, frankly I hope DJ Speed Bump enjoys his colostomy bag, and has to raise funds for it himself.

I really, really hope the insurance company has the balls to realise that vigorously defending against spending a cent to care for this career criminal can only help their image - Allred won't get out of bed for less than a million and if she sees a non-payday coming she'll drop that idiot like the lowlife he is.

[Rich46yo]

Or anyone who has seen the video.

Ive seen the video. Obviously you didnt see in my post where I said traffic altercation CAN be started by just one party or that its possible this was MC, as in motorcycling, wilding.

But you still dont know what started it. Jeez am I the only objective one around here?

Look not that news paper articles actually tell what actually happened but now they are reporting

A source briefed on the case told ABC News that in the days since the attack "new evidence has been coming in and it will give prosecutors much better evidence for charging the attackers."

The new evidence includes additional video footage and stills compiled from a variety of cameras that were situated around the scenes of the chase and melee, the source said.

In other words "nobody knows what fracking happened and the Police are still collecting evidence".

Its possible the biker was actually slowing down in order to slow down the others, to organize the ride, and some sort of verbal confrontation happened. You'll notice an obvious verbal exchange at about 0.18 in the video. He might have been trying to warn the driver of the SUV he was slowing down the group and get them all together. The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.

So how pissed would you be if you saw your friends ran over by an SUV on purpose?

My guess is, based on 30 years of doing this stuff, that the visceral reactions among many is do to the fact the actual attackers of the SUV are black. But even there there is a clue. The Bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix. Besides there were no Harleys and biker or street gangs dont wear fruity colored helmets and with either the entire affair would have ended with gun fire anyways. Its very likely the entire thing started by accident and progressed thru miscalculation and over reaction.

But I dont know. And neither do any of you. Being a black kid on a motorcycle isnt a crime, nor does it automatically make you a criminal. We have a lot of problems with "flash mobs" here, or "wilding", but Ive never ever seen a racially mixed one.

[Scherf]

I couldn't give a flying frig about the colour of the bikers, which I wasn't aware of until well after the incident.

White black or chartreuse, they were out to ignore the law of the land and intimidate anyone they perceived as getting in their way. They pushed it to a confrontation with a motorist, and deliberately boxed him in, the better to indimidate him. They then attacked his vehicle, in which his wife and baby were sitting. Unable to fight many dozens of attackers, he took the only path left open to protect himself and his family and gunned it.

Fark all of them and the farking rice rockets they rode in on, they should rot.

[Rich46yo]

So you know all that how?

BTW do you really expect anyone to believe that if these were all white kids on rice burners the amount of frothing spittle being spewed would be the same? And what percentage of viewers ya think could watch a video like that and NOT notice the race of the attackers? Especially after reading some of the moronic chest thumping posts in this thread?

Also as you'll see at 0.18 the driver of the bike initially struck by the SUV was white. And there was no physical attack prior to the driver running over the bike kids, very seriously crippling one. Kids acting stupid on MCs doesnt automatically give you the right to run over them in your vehicle.

It seems to be easy to place yourselves in the drivers shoes. Now put yourself in the parents shoes getting the call that their kid was just ran over by an SUV and hurt very seriously during a traffic altercation. Think you to wouldnt want answers?

I couldn't give a flying frig about the colour of the bikers, which I wasn't aware of until well after the incident.

White black or chartreuse, they were out to ignore the law of the land and intimidate anyone they perceived as getting in their way. They pushed it to a confrontation with a motorist, and deliberately boxed him in, the better to indimidate him. They then attacked his vehicle, in which his wife and baby were sitting. Unable to fight many dozens of attackers, he took the only path left open to protect himself and his family and gunned it.

Fark all of them and the farking rice rockets they rode in on, they should rot.

[Scherf]

I have no doubt the judge or jury who ultimately decide what comes next weren't there either, but law-abiding family in an suv surrounded by a pack of avacados who demonstrably have been ignoring the law and who demonstrably have intimidated and attacked ordinary folk in the past make better witnesses than said pack of avacados, as you no doubt know.

Again, the race of those involved does not even register with me.

[CAP1]

Nothin but a bunch of tools riding their ballbasher bikes and modified dirtbikes... Trying to be hard tulips and give other bikers bad name.

I would have slammed reverse and hammered down.

 unless i was seeing things, many of them also didn't have license plates. kinda illegal.

[CAP1]

Ive seen the video. Obviously you didnt see in my post where I said traffic altercation CAN be started by just one party or that its possible this was MC, as in motorcycling, wilding.not "possibly" the mc starting it. he DID. the guy filming started his video there for a reason, and starting it earlier won't help their case....otherwise he would have shown all of it.

But you still dont know what started it. Jeez am I the only objective one around here?

Look not that news paper articles actually tell what actually happened but now they are reporting   In other words "nobody knows what fracking happened and the Police are still collecting evidence".

Its possible the biker was actually slowing down in order to slow down the others, to organize the ride, and some sort of verbal confrontation happened. You'll notice an obvious verbal exchange at about 0.18 in the video. He might have been trying to warn the driver of the SUV he was slowing down the group and get them all together. The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.

So how pissed would you be if you saw your friends ran over by an SUV on purpose?

My guess is, based on 30 years of doing this stuff, that the visceral reactions among many is do to the fact the actual attackers of the SUV are black. But even there there is a clue. The Bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix. Besides there were no Harleys and biker or street gangs dont wear fruity colored helmets and with either the entire affair would have ended with gun fire anyways. Its very likely the entire thing started by accident and progressed thru miscalculation and over reaction.

But I dont know. And neither do any of you. Being a black kid on a motorcycle isnt a crime, nor does it automatically make you a criminal. We have a lot of problems with "flash mobs" here, or "wilding", but Ive never ever seen a racially mixed one.

 regardless of what happened before the video we've all seen........there is NO.....ZERO......ZILCH.....NA DA......ZIPPO excuse for what the biker at 10 seconds in did, which was to dilebretley  cause a collision. he was watching the suv. if he was trying to slow them, and not cause an altercation, he could have EASILY out accelerated them to avoid that collision. no......no....not this time. coming from a guy that's ridden for well over 20 years, there is no way that any of this is the fault of anyone but those people

[CAP1]

So you know all that how?video proves the prosecutions case.

BTW do you really expect anyone to believe that if these were all white kids on rice burners the amount of frothing spittle being spewed would be the same?here, you are correct. if they were white kids on those rockets, the frothing spittle would be a thousand times worse, as they brought hate crimes into the equation. And what percentage of viewers ya think could watch a video like that and NOT notice the race of the attackers? Especially after reading some of the moronic chest thumping posts in this thread?

Also as you'll see at 0.18 the driver of the bike initially struck by the SUV was white.hispanic name i believe And there was no physical attack prior to the driver running over the bike kids, very seriously crippling one. Kids acting stupid on MCs doesnt automatically give you the right to run over them in your vehicle.they weren't kids. they knew full well what they were doing, and what they were doing was going to lead to a quicker beatdown. why do you think that one guy was walking back to the suv? do you think he wanted to have a beer with him?

It seems to be easy to place yourselves in the drivers shoes. Now put yourself in the parents shoes getting the call that their kid was just ran over by an SUV and hurt very seriously during a traffic altercation. Think you to wouldnt want answers?it is VERY easy to put myself in the driver shoes. as the bikers......no way in hell would i act like that. ad the suv driver, surrounded by a bunch of bikers like that, i'm getting my bellybutton outta dodge too. put myself in the shoes of the parents? well....there's a case going on down here, where a parent is FINALLY being held accountable for raising a criminal(murderer)

[Rich46yo]

I have no doubt the judge or jury who ultimately decide what comes next weren't there either, but law-abiding family in an suv surrounded by a pack of avacados who demonstrably have been ignoring the law and who demonstrably have intimidated and attacked ordinary folk in the past make better witnesses than said pack of avacados, as you no doubt know.

Again, the race of those involved does not even register with me.

They violated traffic law. Apparently a few in this thread think they can post videos of bike gangs being violent and make it legal assumption that ALL gaggles of kids on bikes are violent and should be handled the same.

You cant just run over a bunch of kids cause they "obstructed traffic" and maybe ran their mouths some. If in fact that is what happened. To many are making assumptions without knowing any facts, and a few are just making their own threats and beating their chests. Which is pretty silly on the internet. The fact is running over kids on MCs is a very serious thing and the driver of the SUV is both responsible and needs to have a reasonable explanation for why he did it. It may well be he had cause. It may well be he over reacted to a bunch of stunt bike kids acting stupid. http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-bikers-wife-walk/story?id=20430576

regardless of what happened before the video we've all seen........there is NO.....ZERO......ZILCH.....NA DA......ZIPPO excuse for what the biker at 10 seconds in did, which was to dilebretley  cause a collision. Yeah, actually there is. Go to 5;30 http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-bikers-wife-walk/story?id=20430576 he was watching the suv. if he was trying to slow them, and not cause an altercation, he could have EASILY out accelerated them to avoid that collision. How exactly do you "cause" a collision with the donut end of a MC while slowing down? no......no....not this time. coming from a guy that's ridden for well over 20 years, there is no way that any of this is the fault of anyone but those people Coming from a guy who has written accident reports for 30 years i can tell you without question the driver of the SUV would be the "striking vehicle" in that report and get the ticket.

The biker didnt "cause" the collision Cap. The SUV did. Really, Ive investigated a million of these things. BTW repeating posting after yourself on the internet = "frothing".

[CAP1]

They violated traffic law. Apparently a few in this thread think they can post videos of bike gangs being violent and make it legal assumption that ALL gaggles of kids on bikes are violent and should be handled the same.

You cant just run over a bunch of kids cause they "obstructed traffic" and maybe ran their mouths some. If in fact that is what happened. To many are making assumptions without knowing any facts, and a few are just making their own threats and beating their chests. Which is pretty silly on the internet. The fact is running over kids on MCs is a very serious thing and the driver of the SUV is both responsible and needs to have a reasonable explanation for why he did it. It may well be he had cause. It may well be he over reacted to a bunch of stunt bike kids acting stupid. http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-bikers-wife-walk/story?id=20430576

regardless of what happened before the video we've all seen........there is NO.....ZERO......ZILCH.....NA DA......ZIPPO excuse for what the biker at 10 seconds in did, which was to dilebretley  cause a collision. Yeah, actually there is. Go to 5;30 http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-bikers-wife-walk/story?id=20430576 he was watching the suv. if he was trying to slow them, and not cause an altercation, he could have EASILY out accelerated them to avoid that collision. How exactly do you "cause" a collision with the donut end of a MC while slowing down? no......no....not this time. coming from a guy that's ridden for well over 20 years, there is no way that any of this is the fault of anyone but those people Coming from a guy who has written accident reports for 30 years i can tell you without question the driver of the SUV would be the "striking vehicle" in that report and get the ticket.

The biker didnt "cause" the collision Cap. The SUV did. Really, Ive investigated a million of these things. BTW repeating posting after yourself on the internet = "frothing".

 very simple. watch the video for lessons. if you watch it, the biker which causes the collision passes the suv(too close i might add) pulls over in front of them(less than a car length), then gets on the brakes, while watching. this all took less than 2 seconds. there is no way that suv dude could've reacted fast enough. this was deliberate on the part of the bikers.

 i AM a rider. i don't assume all bikers are ferals, like those guys were acting. i KNOW what it's like to ride in large groups, and small.....and alone. i've been up and down the east coast on my bike several times. i've ridden in groups of hundreds. i know. i get it. yet all of the groups i've ridden in, not in a single instance has any of us ever done anything like that to a cage. never. there isn't an excuse dude. i ain't meaning any disrespect towards you......but there's no excuse for them.

[Rich46yo]

I dont need to watch it again Cap I write accident reports for a living. First off the biker slows down and doesnt hit the brakes hard. Not that it matters, if you strike a vehicle in front of you in the rear you are the striking vehicle. I guess technically the biker could get a ticket for improper lane change prior but the lane change itself had nothing to do with the accident. If it was only a traffic accident the SUV would get the ticket.

Unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even then I'd still write this SUV driver a ticket for striking the biker initially and let him explain himself in court. Right now he has bigger problems then a traffic ticket.

Just cause your put on an accident report as the striking vehicle, or just cause you get a ticket, doesnt mean your guilty. Only a judge or jury can make that determination.

I used to ride too, with a group. And in all the unending stupid, moronic incidents Ive had to be around like the one being discussed in this thread Ive stood there speechless at how GD stupid and unnecessary they are. 

[CAP1]

yea, and this one was unnecessary too. had that biker NOT played that 2 second game, then the other 50 surrounded the suv dude, none of this would be being discussed right now.

 you keep telling us to be objective. put yourself in the suv. you're there with wife and kid. would you sit there and wait for police? considering the number of bikers surrounding you? or are you gonna do what yuo feel necessary at that moment to protect your family?

 personally, the only mistakes i think the suv dude made, was to stop there.....i'd have changed lanes, and let the bikes in the other lanes dodge me....then his next mistake was getting off of the highway. i'd have stayed on the highway, so i would know i could keep moving till the police did finally get out there. but stop......no way in hell am i stopping in that type of situation for anyone other than a uniformed police officer in a black n white.


 on that note, i'm out.

[Rich46yo]

you keep telling us to be objective. put yourself in the suv. you're there with wife and kid. would you sit there and wait for police? considering the number of bikers surrounding you? or are you gonna do what yuo feel necessary at that moment to protect your family?

Been there, done that. Yes I have had to use force in an off duty traffic altercation. And another time, again while OD, I had to intervene in another to prevent a young guy and his dad from getting beat to death. So I know one party can be right and another wrong. Or one can be "wronger". Or both can be wrong.

And yes its very possible this guy felt he and his family were in fear of great bodily harm and he did what he had to do. But we dont know that and we shouldnt assume it. Personally I avoid these things like the plague. There are some real time bombs out there.

I dont guess but if I had to I'd say this entire thing started off from a miscalculation/assumption on the drivers part, or the stupidity of the #2 vehicles part, made worse by the racial makeup component, causing the #1 driver to get scared and drive over those young people. After that it was "on". But its just a guess.

[Shamus]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and accept that the suv driver was in fear of great bodily harm or worse, I think that the reasonable man theory will probably bear that out. The use of force continuum does not apply to gangs of motorcyclists, therefore I think that justifying their behavior is a stretch.  

shamus

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