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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2013, 03:38:55 PM »
Its quite clear that temperatures have increased at an alarming rate. Is is man made, no idea...

IRREGARDLESS, we have a responsibility to take care of our home, Earth.  Burning less fossil fuels will improve our environment global warming or not.
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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2013, 03:53:41 PM »
Before the industrialization of nations, when a wild fire hit then it would burn 1/4 of the continent before putting itself out.  The sky was full of smoke, forests were wiped out every single year. 
We now burn some fossil fuels and control the fires.  Trade off isn't worth it?  Everyone thinks the planet was a pristine and pure thing before we created the automobile, it was not.
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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2013, 03:58:08 PM »
The USA surges past Saudis to become world's top oil supplier:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-oil-pira-idUSL1N0I51IX20131015

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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2013, 06:06:09 PM »
I wonder what transportation methods will be economically sustainable when oil hits 500$ a barrel?

Hmmm...



Maybe Hoverboards!


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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2013, 02:42:29 AM »
The only problem with hydrogen is that its production consumes a huge amount of electricity, which in turn is made largely by burning oil or coal :)
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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2013, 08:58:56 AM »
The only problem with hydrogen is that its production consumes a huge amount of electricity, which in turn is made largely by burning oil or coal :)

 Or natural gas, gas right under the hydrogen producing plant? Burn petrolium coke that is normaly shipped over seas?

"When completed, the 300 megawatt (MW) Hydrogen Energy California project (HECA) will produce low-carbon electricity to meet California’s increasing energy demand while minimizing greenhouse gas emissions. HECA will produce lower air emissions than any conventional plant of its size, including natural gas. In fact, the project will capture more than 3 million annual tons of greenhouse gases that would have otherwise been emitted into the atmosphere, which is equivalent to eliminating 650,000 cars from the road each year.

In addition to its many other environmental benefits, HECA’s unique process will also preserve California’s valuable fresh water resources by using brackish, non-potable water and eliminating waste water discharge.

Petroleum coke is currently shipped from California refineries to other nations where it is typically burned, releasing CO2 emissions directly into the atmosphere. Instead of burning fossil fuels that emit greenhouse gases into the air, HECA will turn coal and petroleum coke into clean hydrogen energy while permanently capturing the CO2 before it is emitted into the atmosphere. Once the hydrogen is created, it is used for two purposes: as clean fuel to generate nearly 300MW of clean electricity; and to produce about 1 million tons of locally manufactured, low-carbon fertilizer each year. Meanwhile, the CO2 will be condensed and transported via secure pipeline to nearby Elk Hills Oil Field and stored underground, which will enable the production of 5 million additional barrels of domestic oil per year in a process known as enhanced oil recovery (EOR).

Hydrogen Energy California is owned by SCS Energy, one of the nation’s leading independent developers of clean power. The project has the support of the U.S. Department of Energy as a safe and cost effective way to produce clean energy."
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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2013, 12:42:15 PM »
E-Bike
http://www.gizmag.com/alter-hydrogen-fuel-cell-bike/29768/

The Sun?
"A greener solution, Dai explained, is to supplement the solar cells with hydrogen-powered fuel cells that generate electricity at night or when demand is especially high.

To produce clean hydrogen for fuel cells, scientists have turned to an emerging technology called water splitting. Two semiconducting electrodes are connected and placed in water. The electrodes absorb light and use the energy to split the water into its basic components, oxygen and hydrogen. The oxygen is released into the atmosphere, and the hydrogen is stored as fuel."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131114142125.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130515125118.htm

Finding an inexpensive way to get hydrogen from water would be the best solution.... there is more water on the planet than anything.

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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2013, 01:48:46 PM »
Well, people "like me" are distrustful of this "man-made" global warming pseudo science (now called man-made climate change and before that man-made global cooling) because there is not fact to back it up.  Rather, people are being manipulated into buying into the creation of a new power scheme which ultimately breaks down into redistribution of wealth on a global scale.  Further, when you start looking at the claims and the data used to make this pseudo science up it becomes downright scary.  The entirety of decades of research in several cases was based on falsified data.  Sampling errors on data recording stations were documented and then changed to suit these agendas. 

So, do I accept this supposed science which I fear is based on a consensus as opposed to question it?  You're damn right I do. 

When you look at what the carbon trading scheme is about and really follow the money, you might begin to understand why this push to declare natural climate change as a man-made disaster is actually happening.  The carbon trading proposals will bring many nations to their knees and make a select few wealthy beyond imagination.  Think about that for awhile.



Bodhi, it appears to me, as an idle observation, that you are basically a victim of a false flag operation. The human race's economy is presently based on the securing, extraction and trade of this planet's natural resources. Most especially with the end result of burning these. Even the bread you eat is produced and transported to your mouth via fossil fuels. Those elements we don't burn are extracted, refined and distributed similarly.

Scientists suggesting this is detremental to the biosphere threaten this paradigm. How easy is it to discredit this message by setting up pseudoscientists for later debunking and then claiming these people are identical to real scientists thus contributing to the discreditation of the real scientists who are saying this in the first place? Not too difficult apparently. You for instance from my perspective seem fully locked on to the chaff.

You suggest that this lie you essentially call it, this movement, is designed to redistribute wealth. From what it is now into what? Any change I can see would be an improvement to the human race in the long-term. A more logical and intelligent international distribution of the world's resources would seem sensible - to which I'm now sure many people's response is to immediately resort to those hilarious words bandied about in the popular media which produce those inevitable and contrived knee-jerk reactions of horror: communism and socialism.

The current wealth distribution and indeed resource distribution in general is so lob-sided, so detrimental to progression and what's the word? oh yeah 'stupid', that it would be really hard to design a more perverted system if you tried. The real achievement of the Faction B I mentioned earlier is getting ordinary people to disavow scientific method and anything else which threatens their agenda with an almost religeous fervour and support the status quo as if it is something sacred and essential, presumably with a 'here's what's in it for you angle'.

These studies you are talking about, these papers, this data is not scientific. Their falsity does nothing to discredit the models which I have previously discussed because they aren't executed in the same rigorous and self-regulated, reproducible way.



Why don't we forget the economy, the agendas and even the science. Let's just look at the situation from a common sense perspective (and this is a pretty childish sketch, but here we go):

All fossil fuels, gas, oil, everything the human race burns up for energy were deposited over trillions of years by mostly plant life. Plants eat carbon dioxide and methane and all sorts of nasty elements we don't want floating around. In return they produce oxygen and other useful things. Over a time so unimaginably long you can't even comprehend it (I mean me too, it's ridiculous), this global organic tera-forming machine turned the world into a nice place for creatures to live.

When these biological entities died and decayed all of those nasties they had absorbed (the ones they haven't managed to convert) were safely stored away beneath the earth's surface. That's where it all went. I mean you can't destroy matter or eject it into space (as such), you can only move it or convert it, right? Then along comes mankind and the Industrial Revolution and in its forgivable ignorance starts extracting this material and burning it, at a rate so much faster than it was deposited that it's difficult to calculate it even conservatively or put it into any kind of meaningful frame. But very very fast.

Burning, combustion, liberates these nasties such as CO2 and especially methane releasing some of it (not all of it obviously, but enough to make a change) back into the biosphere which they were sucked out of in the first place. A more or less sealed biosphere I hasten to point out (and a small one at that).

We already know what this planet's environment was like when these nasties where floating around free and in abundance, back way way way before the first cells decided to team up and see if there was any future in it: anyone walking around without 9,000,000,000 factor sunblock, their own respirator and a pair of Oakley Armageddon™ sunglasses was going to have a really really bad day.



Sure the climate changes all by itself, cycles, that's only natural. The changes being discussed in this context are different, distinct, unprecedented and they coincide with the Industrial Revolution.

Of course this is just my view on the topic, my interpretation of the information available to me and as informed as an individual can be who isn't particularly biased and has paid attention deliberately and studied themselves. You might have your own view. Just try your best to make sure it IS your own view would be my suggestion.


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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2013, 02:43:39 PM »
in a way Carbon is the building block for life.  And besides, if were going to run out then there is a limit to how much we can put in the air.  Why dont one of them fancy scientists figure that out and out it into a model.  :lol

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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2013, 03:30:48 PM »
in a way Carbon is the building block for life.  And besides, if were going to run out then there is a limit to how much we can put in the air.  Why dont one of them fancy scientists figure that out and out it into a model.  :lol

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« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2013, 08:47:14 PM »
Nrshida,
You might care to look at it from the opposite side of the coin and instead of saying I am brain washed, consider you might be suffering the same diagnosis.

The fact of the matter is that many of these so called scientists used false data to project dire outcomes to our environment (for human concerns) in an effort to push for carbon trading credits.  Who is pushing this and who stands to reap the biggest rewards from it's implementations.  You dismiss wealth redistribution because it is "fair" or because the world's wealth is lop-sided?  I am sorry that you feel that way, but I do not agree.  I am far from wealthy but I will never advocate the taking of someone else's wealth to give to another solely because they have less.  It is not logical and certainly counter productive.

Obviously this is beyond the mere belief in man-made global climate change and more into the belief and support of social re-engineering for you.  I am sorry, I can not agree to that and will do everything in my power to fight it and this farce called man-made global climate change.
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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2013, 09:07:25 PM »
Nrshida, I advise you not to waste your time trying to convince people who don't believe in "global warming" because they think there is some conspiracy behind it or because "all the evidence is bogus." There is basically nothing you can say that they will believe as they do not except the 97 percent consensus among client scientists as being valid. I don't know why there is such disbelief but there it is.
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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2013, 01:23:15 AM »
Global warming is a myth

NASA has said the Suns magnetic field is going to flip in next couple of weeks :cry
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Re: Real global cooling
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2013, 04:17:50 AM »
I am sorry, I can not agree to that and will do everything in my power to fight it and this farce called man-made global climate change.

I think you overestimate your power because you seem unwilling to 'zoom out' to gain perspective and do not fully understand what you are dealing with (perhaps deliberately) but regardless we have exchanged opinions civilly and must agree to disagree.   :salute


Nrshida, I advise you not to waste your time trying to convince people who don't believe in "global warming" because they think there is some conspiracy behind it or because "all the evidence is bogus." There is basically nothing you can say that they will believe as they do not except the 97 percent consensus among client scientists as being valid. I don't know why there is such disbelief but there it is.

You are right but perhaps it is important to contribute your opinion sometimes just for balance and for those who are open-minded and /or interested.

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