Best Heavy Fighter

[-ammo-]

Rate of fire as well?

Nope, the Hizookas had a greater ROF.  However, the Mk103 was a a beast.  I had no idea either.

Check this link:http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

Obviously, I am assuming the wuthor's analysis and resulting data is correct.

[Karnak]

After much thought I am going to have to go with the wildcard. It is the Fw-190A5. Carries a single bomb just fine, once clean kills all (when flown by the right stick) and with a USB port has surround sound for some classic rock like Queen! BAM!!

boo

If we're dropping the bomb load down to Fw190A-5 levels that opens up other things like the Ki-84, N1K2-J and Spitfire Mk XVI as contenders.

[GScholz]

Nope, the Hizookas had a greater ROF.  However, the Mk103 was a a beast.  I had no idea either.

Check this link:http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

Obviously, I am assuming the wuthor's analysis and resulting data is correct.

Yup, it's the most powerful aircraft gun of WWII.

[Fulcrum]

Nope, the Hizookas had a greater ROF.  However, the Mk103 was a a beast.  I had no idea either.

Check this link:http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

Obviously, I am assuming the wuthor's analysis and resulting data is correct.

Holy crap.  I wasnt aware of this either.  Yeesh.

Still, I'll happily take on a 410 in a Typhoon any day....but I know that wasn't the focus of the original question...

[earl1937]

What is the criteria being measured? Without that it is a bar room debate with drunks! 

I would say that classic definition is the ability to fight in and fight out with no escorts. That changes things a bit.

The 47 is a monster for load though it has almost no ability to fight in. At the first sign of opposition it would have to drop much of its ordinance just to take the 'Thatch Weave' serious. The 38 might be better at the self escort.

I suspect the better at self-escort would be the Navy birds: F6F-5 and F4U series. They have a pretty good load and with proper alt could engage in 'Thatch Weave" without dumping their ordinance.

The 190F is great but has a more limited ordinance package and less of a fighter once clean.

After much thought I am going to have to go with the wildcard. It is the Fw-190A5. Carries a single bomb just fine, once clean kills all (when flown by the right stick) and with a USB port has surround sound for some classic rock like Queen! BAM!!

boo

Sir, the thatch weave is a two aircraft maneuver, just to watch one another's 6 while on patrol.

[Saxman]

Sir, the thatch weave is a two aircraft maneuver, just to watch one another's 6 while on patrol.

It was a maneuver to CLEAR one another's 6 in a fight.

[gyrene81]

Sir, the thatch weave is a two aircraft maneuver, just to watch one another's 6 while on patrol.

though that is what it was eventually adopted to...it was not how the "beam defense" was presented by then LtCdr Thach. the concept works with 2, 4 or 6 planes flying in pairs...a sort of loose deuce tactic.

good read...
http://www.amazon.com/Thach-Weave-The-Life-Jimmie/dp/1591142482


http://combatgears.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/air-combat-maneuver-thach-weave/

2 plane thach weave maneuver...

[cobia38]

Sadly, no. It is 2,000lbs of bombs or 1,000lbs of bombs and eight rockets.
A-20G is meat on the table to any fighter being discussed in this thread, pilots being anywhere near equal.  It also has the advantage of very questionable durability modeling.
MK103s actually have better ballistics than the Hispano.  Too bad they can't be fired without the MG151/20s and that they are saddled with the Me410 as a platform.

 have to disagree,it can hold its own quite well with jugs and 38L and mossi
 but then again your mossi biased,so why even argue with you

[Karnak]

have to disagree,it can hold its own quite well with jugs and 38L and mossi
 but then again your mossi biased,so why even argue with you

Against reasonably equal pilots who aren't clueless any of those will eat it for lunch and you know it.  Only your constant pushing of the A-20 to be used in a role it is not ideal for keeps you from admitting it. Why I couldn't guess as admitting where it really stands makes what you do in it all the more impressive.

The A-20G has one thing only over those, a smaller turn radius.  The P-47s, P-38s, Bf110s and Mossie out everything else the A-20G to one degree or another.

Your insistence on how great it was caused me to include it on my fighter-bomber test plan and it is very much out performed by the other twin engined fighters and the P-47s.

[Tank-Ace]

I'm also HIGHLY suspicious of the A-20's durability, given that steel is steel, and its not a great deal heavier than a 110 or a P-38, and its not much bigger.

[save]

Flying against the A20 with a good extra gunner shooting from top turret  makes the A20 a good contender though.

Not many planes can fight in a tight turning circle and hammer you until parts fly off from top gunner, and get you  dispatched at 1k when you break off, by the front guns, only to see the darn thing drop 2000lb bombs e 30 seconds later.

[mthrockmor]

I know the "Thatch Weave" and mentioned it in the context of a squad of heavy fighters having to fight their way into a target. A 47 loaded with 10 rockets, and 3 heavy bombs I believe would really struggle to execute the Thatch Weave with any ability to save themselves.

Boo

[Saxman]

though that is what it was eventually adopted to...it was not how the "beam defense" was presented by then LtCdr Thach. the concept works with 2, 4 or 6 planes flying in pairs...a sort of loose deuce tactic.

good read...
http://www.amazon.com/Thach-Weave-The-Life-Jimmie/dp/1591142482


http://combatgears.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/air-combat-maneuver-thach-weave/

2 plane thach weave maneuver...
(Image removed from quote.)

I love the story of, I think it was, Nishizawa coming home fuming after an engagement because every time he got saddled up on a target, the wingman was right there pouring fire into him and he had to break off or eat a face full of .50cal.

[bozon]

have to disagree,it can hold its own quite well with jugs and 38L and mossi
 but then again your mossi biased,so why even argue with you

The A20 is a surprisingly good dogfighter, but still inferior to most fighters in the game. Without F3 view, the rear is completely blind. It cannot handle speeds very well. It has two key features that work for it - one is the laser guns that reach out almost to 1k out. Nose mounted cannons in 110/mossie still hit hard at that distance but disperse a lot, while the 0.5s lose energy but keep a narrow cone. The other is the tank-like durability which makes it nearly impervious to snapshots, so attacking planes have to either hit it repeatedly in multiple shot solutions or saddle up and start hammering at it - both give a good A20 pilot a second third and fourth chances to reverse the situation.

[Debrody]

And exactly thats what Cobia is using. Plus he knows how to fight, if that means something  The A-20 is still very far from being OP though.