Early Man

[Brooke]

This theory says that anyone less privileged should be dominated or killed.

Which theory says that?

[Saxman]

No, the evidence says the pyramids were not built with slaves.  That was what they told Herodotus, but that told was more than 1500 years after they'd been built by Egyptians who had no idea how they'd been built.  Evidence says they were farmers and craftsmen who worked on the pyramids during the Nile's flood season.  It was back breaking labor, no doubt, but slaves apparently weren't seen as acceptable to use for something of such import.  The Egyptians of the time did practice slavery.

Also, exactly what slavery meant varied culture to culture. IE, what the Germanic cultures called slavery we'd equate more with indentured servitude. So what Herodotus said the Egyptians told him, may not have been what the Egyptians MEANT.

[mechanic]

Life is slavery for most humans now anyway. There are more slaves now than ever before. The only evolution to slavery in the modern age is that money and choice have been put between duties and survival. These are certainly two good evolutions that make slavery a lot more pleasant, even enjoyable. This is why there are more slaves now than ever before. We are in a golden age for slavery where there is very little racism involved. Everyone has an equal right to become a slave.

[sunfan1121]

Life is slavery for most humans now anyway. There are more slaves now than ever before. The only evolution to slavery in the modern age is that money and choice have been put between duties and survival. These are certainly two good evolutions that make slavery a lot more pleasant, even enjoyable. This is why there are more slaves now than ever before. We are in a golden age for slavery where there is very little racism involved. Everyone has an equal right to become a slave.

All social animals are salves to a hierarchy of some kind. Humans are no exception. In hunter gatherer cultures mental health problems don't exist. The village won't eat if the hunters fail. People don't get depressed when their life has meaning.

The problem could be that we have too much freedom. Humans fundamentally want to contribute, when they can't is when you have problems. We're still running the same OS as we did 100,000 years ago.

[mechanic]

Yeah you're right Suns. Freedom for the individual in solitude is simple enough to achieve but freedom mass produced requires a paradoxical lack of freedom to let everyone have some chance of obtaining whatever freedom is left available. Too much of this mirage of freedom becomes a circular treadmill.

[Brooke]

Life in western societies today is slavery?

I imagine this akin to someone who is really starving to death looking at a plump western kid complain that, because he didn't get the pizza he wanted, he's starving to death. 

[NatCigg]

shhh, im sure they are working on the next revolution. the one where we are all free to ride the comet.

Cave men didnt have ADD, LOL. carry on. Wait wait wait, lucy never got depressed.    no no , hold on, the europeans had it so bad... How bad did they have it?  They had it so bad,  they wish they were cavemen.   

Can you guys do me favor.  Insert yourself here ---------->  before you teach anyone anything. TY

[Slate]

  Late Men are such Whiners.

[wpeters]

What you are arguing is Jean-Baptiste Lamarck 1809 pre-evelotion theory, which has been disproven long ago.

Giraffes don't have long necks because they stretched their necks and thus passed their stretched necks to their children, rather, the Giraffes that didn't have long necks, couldn't eat, and thus died off, eliminating that attribute from the gene pool.

When adaption is carried to future generations and thus is genetically encoded, it is by definition, evolution. Over millions of generations combined with isolation, this results in a different species.
the NAZI mentality stems from a mentality that was based on evolution and was in a less extreme way practiced all over the world, including the USA. Its called Eugenics.

What are evolutionist believing that they were created finally...

Evolution will be continually disproven..    Also it will always change do to the fact that they cant prove it.    Evolutionist can not keep the same theory longer than a leaky cup can keep water in it.

Hey give us some credit. We have been believing the same story for all of history.

[gyrene81]

Hey give us some credit. We have been believing the same story for all of history.

who is we? and no, you haven't...




lot's of kool-aid drinking monkey descendants in this discussion so far...

[SlidingHorn]

What are evolutionist believing that they were created finally...

Honestly, I know you're just trolling (you've GOT to be), but I'll bite:  I can haz Inglish?  

Evolution will be continually disproven..    Also it will always change do to the fact that they cant prove it.

Continually?  It's held up for 2 centuries...I don't think your "throw whatever I can at the wall on an online forum" is going to take it down...also, as we've mentioned and shown several times already through this thread, evolution is a FACT.  The THEORY of evolution EXPLAINS this fact.  "Proof" (a poor term in a scientific context - proofs essentially exist in math only...but I digress) is why flu vaccines are updated every season, why you take your full course of antibiotics, etc.  It has been demonstrated in experiments (fruit flies, etc.), and *actually observed* in nature:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/speciation-in-action/

In humans: http://www.livescience.com/6663-tibetans-underwent-fastest-evolution-humans.html

Hey give us some credit. We have been believing the same story for all of history.

It's not my position that belief without (...or, in this case, in the face of) evidence is worthy of credit or admiration.

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life…but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” — Chuck Easttom

[Saxman]

Granted, I've largely just been skimming, but I'm impressed the thread has gone this long without the usual Creationist "It's only a THEORY" counter.

[BreakingBad]

Life is slavery for most humans now anyway. There are more slaves now than ever before. The only evolution to slavery in the modern age is that money and choice have been put between duties and survival. These are certainly two good evolutions that make slavery a lot more pleasant, even enjoyable. This is why there are more slaves now than ever before. We are in a golden age for slavery where there is very little racism involved. Everyone has an equal right to become a slave.

That is an absurd statement.  You’re trying to take an abstract concept of slavery and equating it to modern life, we are all ‘slaves to the system’ sort of mentality.

There are countless cases of real slavery.  Child slavery, prostitution, human trafficking, gulags in North Korea.  That is real slavery, where you are bound to servitude as property, without free choice or will, completely subjugated under the power of others.

These are the people suffer the depravity of slavery, and attempting to draw some loose moral equivalence only marginalizes the extent of their suffering.

[wpeters]

wpeters ... Did you watch this?

Yes I have..  All that is, is a chemical reaction.


There is no way that is a form of life or even proof of the origin of species.

The other fundamental point that is missed.  If life did orginate from these photocells how did it survive..   Come on. If it were true why can they not replicate it in a sterile lab.  It does not last.   How could it last in a natural environment out side of the lab.  If evolution is to be believed, you have to have actual proof of replication. Which they can not even create in a lab much less in a harmful environment outside of a lab.

The photocell that was made in that lab could not reproduce. It did mutate but that is not reproducing.  

Take a Mule for example.  If evolution is true he would be considered a transitional species.  The key point that disproves this is a mule is sterile. He cannot survive in evolution's theory of survival of the fittest. Nature will not let him survive.  

The biggest hole in evolution is this.

It doesn't just take one simple cell.. It trillions of the same cell to begin to start life.  No way it could happen.  View my origanl post on what it takes to put 200 things back together the right way the first time.

LtCondor

[GScholz]

Just because you (or anyone else for that matter) can't wrap your head around it doesn't make it impossible.

Emerson M. Pugh said about the human brain: "If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't." And the same goes for life itself. If we can't even understand how our own minds work how can we be expected to understand life itself. However, the good thing about reality is that it is true whether you believe in it or not. Show me some evidence of your "creator" and I'll consider your hypothesis.