Early Man

[SlidingHorn]

It doesn't just take one simple cell.. It trillions of the same cell to begin to start life.  No way it could happen.  View my origanl post on what it takes to put 200 things back together the right way the first time.

LtCondor

And you can refer back to MY post where I thoroughly dismantled your previous assertion of this fallacy.

the good thing about reality is that it is true whether you believe in it or not

One of my favorite NDT quotes. 

[gyrene81]

Show me some evidence of your "creator" and I'll consider your hypothesis.

pretty sure he's in the same place where the fish that turned into the monkey that turned into your ancestor exists...even after the many mass extinction events.

[SlidingHorn]

pretty sure he's in the same place where the fish that turned into the monkey that turned into your ancestor exists...even after the many mass extinction events.

Careful: You don't want to wear yourself out attacking those straw men.  Save your energy for the arguments we actually make! 

[Slate]

  Scientists' theories on many things have had to be modified, or thrown out. They spend Billions on a collider to play with atoms and only find more questions than answers. (oh yeah they discovered the "GOD" particle   )
   They say we come from apes but can't put together a definitive sampling of each type of evolved human. Where are the missing links?
   To say evolution is an absolute fact for every species is the height of Naivety.
  
  So many had faith in Global Warming?   These highly educated individuals had to suspend facts for faith.  

Show me some evidence of your "creator" and I'll consider your hypothesis.

              Somehow in the arm of a spiral galaxy this one little rock protects it's tiny inhabitants from the dangers of the universe.
   

[GScholz]

pretty sure he's in the same place where the fish that turned into the monkey that turned into your ancestor exists...even after the many mass extinction events.

If you really don't believe life in the sea evolved to live on land, and later vice versa... How do you explain fish species living today that walk on land? Why do whales breathe air?

[GScholz]

Scientists' theories on many things have had to be modified, or thrown out. They spend Billions on a collider to play with atoms and only find more questions than answers. (oh yeah they discovered the "GOD" particle   )

The Higgs boson is often referred to as the "God particle" in popular media outside the scientific community. The scientists however have commented (jokingly) that we should stop calling it the God particle since they found evidence of its existence.

[GScholz]

Science doesn't know everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDYba0m6ztE

[SlidingHorn]

 Scientists' theories on many things have had to be modified, or thrown out. They spend Billions on a collider to play with atoms and only find more questions than answers. (oh yeah they discovered the "GOD" particle   )
   They say we come from apes but can't put together a definitive sampling of each type of evolved human. Where are the missing links?
   To say evolution is an absolute fact for every species is the height of Naivety.
  
  So many had faith in Global Warming?   These highly educated individuals had to suspend facts for faith.  

You obviously haven't been reading this thread, as almost everything you've said has already been posited, and debunked.

1. Please show me ONE actual scientific theory that has been completely thrown out in the past 200 years, rather than refined to accommodate new data/evidence.
2. We ARE apes...and as I (and others) have already stated: We did not evolve from modern apes/monkeys/chimps/etc.  We evolved ALONGSIDE them. They branched off one way, we went another.
3. Please revisit my post where I show just a small sampling of the transitional fossils/missing links you claim don't exist - even though you're essentially starting to bring in a version of Zeno's Dichotomy Paradox: I'll show you a link (B) between A & C - you immediately say, "yeah, but now there's gaps between A & B and between B & C!"  Again, as I already stated: Each generation is almost indistinguishably different from its predecessor - thousands of generations later, however, you face a VERY different organism than what you started with - even though each successive generation appears to be almost the same as the last.
4. Faith is belief without evidence.  I don't need faith, because my beliefs follow the evidence available.

[Zoney]

So there is no way you can believe that life happened as a chain of events, while random, is possible, but, you can believe that there is an omniscient being that created life.

Yes I have..  All that is, is a chemical reaction.


There is no way that is a form of life or even proof of the origin of species.

The other fundamental point that is missed.  If life did orginate from these photocells how did it survive..   Come on. If it were true why can they not replicate it in a sterile lab.  It does not last.   How could it last in a natural environment out side of the lab.  If evolution is to be believed, you have to have actual proof of replication. Which they can not even create in a lab much less in a harmful environment outside of a lab.

The photocell that was made in that lab could not reproduce. It did mutate but that is not reproducing. 

Take a Mule for example.  If evolution is true he would be considered a transitional species.  The key point that disproves this is a mule is sterile. He cannot survive in evolution's theory of survival of the fittest. Nature will not let him survive.   

The biggest hole in evolution is this.

It doesn't just take one simple cell.. It trillions of the same cell to begin to start life.  No way it could happen.  View my origanl post on what it takes to put 200 things back together the right way the first time.

LtCondor

You are asking others to have pure faith in your theory because there is no proof of an omniscient being, and ignoring every piece of scientific evidence that will lead you to a conclusion contrary to your faith.  Your discussion is then purely about religion and should not be allowed here as per the rules sir.

[gyrene81]

Careful: You don't want to wear yourself out attacking those straw men.  Save your energy for the arguments we actually make! 

  i don't see straw men any more than i see a tail hanging out the rear of your trousers. 

If you really don't believe life in the sea evolved to live on land, and later vice versa... How do you explain fish species living today that walk on land? Why do whales breathe air?

same way i would explain the existence of the platypus...there is a reason they don't exist all over the planet. when you find a way for inter species mating to work, you will have your monkey man. pretty sure you could find a couple of volunteers in these forums that want to try some monkey tail...

[GScholz]

I'm sorry, I don't play the banjo. 

[GScholz]

But seriously, why do whales breathe air? What kind of designer would do that?

[Brooke]

All organisms are defined by the sequence of letters that make up their DNA.  Change the code of the DNA, and you create different characteristics or create a different organism.  Organisms can be copied (cloning of cells having been done for a long time, cloning of a mammal the first time in 1996, and it is so mainstream today that if you live in the US, you almost certainly have eaten cloned plants and have probably eaten food from cloned animals), changed (gene editing, gene deletion, gene silencing, gene addition, gene therapy, etc., such as genetic conditions cured by gene therapy starting in about 2006), or created from scratch (manufacture an artificial genome and create a living cell, done in 2010).  This is very well established these days and is no more a theory than computer programming, electronics, or automobile mechanics are theories.  It is used in practice in the fields of biology and agriculture every day.

A 747 probably would have seemed like unfathomable magic in 500 BC, but today, a 747 (although still awesome) isn't considered mysterious or controversial.

The workings of DNA and organisms are going from being mysterious and unknown to being (although still awesome) increasingly well understood, with that understanding increasingly allowing purposeful modification and engineering.

This is the field I work in currently -- synthesizing DNA -- and many of our customers are at the cutting edge of synthetic biology.

[Slate]

You obviously haven't been reading this thread, as almost everything you've said has already been posited, and debunked.

1. Please show me ONE actual scientific theory that has been completely thrown out in the past 200 years, rather than refined to accommodate new data/evidence.
2. We ARE apes...and as I (and others) have already stated: We did not evolve from modern apes/monkeys/chimps/etc.  We evolved ALONGSIDE them. They branched off one way, we went another.
3. Please revisit my post where I show just a small sampling of the transitional fossils/missing links you claim don't exist - even though you're essentially starting to bring in a version of Zeno's Dichotomy Paradox: I'll show you a link (B) between A & C - you immediately say, "yeah, but now there's gaps between A & B and between B & C!"  Again, as I already stated: Each generation is almost indistinguishably different from its predecessor - thousands of generations later, however, you face a VERY different organism than what you started with - even though each successive generation appears to be almost the same as the last.
4. Faith is belief without evidence.  I don't need faith, because my beliefs follow the evidence available.

     But indeed you do need Faith.   You have faith in those findings of scientists you have never met. You assume that the  fossil evidence was properly dated as carbon dating has some error to it. I have faith you are not trying intentionally to deceive with some FX picture of skulls made with plaster.
     Where are the pre-ape fossils, what did apes evolve from? Fish? Rodents? Are the Dinosaurs' descendants birds as some believe now. That is one theory that has changed quite a bit in the last 200 years. Modified or thrown out you decide. Enlighten me I want to Believe!  

[gyrene81]

All organisms are defined by the sequence of letters that make up their DNA.  Change the code of the DNA, and you create different characteristics or create a different organism.  Organisms can be copied (cloning of cells having been done for a long time, cloning of a mammal the first time in 1996, and it is so mainstream today that if you live in the US, you almost certainly have eaten cloned plants and have probably eaten food from cloned animals), changed (gene editing, gene deletion, gene silencing, gene addition, gene therapy, etc., such as genetic conditions cured by gene therapy starting in about 2006), or created from scratch (manufacture an artificial genome and create a living cell, done in 2010).  This is very well established these days and is no more a theory than computer programming, electronics, or automobile mechanics are theories.  It is used in practice in the fields of biology and agriculture every day.

A 747 probably would have seemed like unfathomable magic in 500 BC, but today, a 747 (although still awesome) isn't considered mysterious or controversial.

The workings of DNA and organisms are going from being mysterious and unknown to being (although still awesome) increasingly well understood, with that understanding increasingly allowing purposeful modification and engineering.

This is the field I work in currently -- synthesizing DNA -- and many of our customers are at the cutting edge of synthetic biology.

that doesn't quite so easily in nature, especially after 99% of the genetic pool is destroyed, and that is the problem with the human monkey theory. maybe once a live sasquatch is captured, many of the questions and missing pieces will be found, but right now it just doesn't work, even in a lab.