December FSO - Superforts Over Fortress Europe

[Bino]

The December FSO is a little bit different from our usual.  A “what-if?” situation set in June 1945, it includes the B-29 “Superfortress” in the strategic bombing of Germany.  This setup also includes all the late-war American and German fighters, so you late-war enthusiasts out there should be able to find something to enjoy in this one.  While the Allied bomber numbers are pretty closely tailored to the number of ground targets, both sides’ C-in-C will have considerable flexibility in assigning the various fighters.

There is about a week to update squad attendance numbers and your side and plane preferences.  I’d like to finalize side assignments next weekend (Nov 23-24) and ship out the Frame 1 Objectives right afterwards.  So please attend to your updates, squad COs.

Thanks!   

---bino

Setup:
http://www.ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html

Schedule:
Frame 1 – Dec. 06, 2013
Frame 2 – Dec. 13, 2013
Frame 3 – Dec. 20, 2013

[KCDitto]

YES, this looks EPIC.........

BFOOT1, this has us written all over it. I hope to see you up in the sky!     

[viking73]

I'll have to point out a couple of things. Germany had more 262's even with realistic history. You're upgrading the bombers but Axis will still have 5 262 (probably scouts) as usual. A full German occupied Europe in 1945 would've saw Germany able to produce more 262's and maybe 163s plus have them operational. B-29s are dangerous and fast. You're looking at most likely a one-time pass on them by prop fighters if that.

Also you are using the No Fly Zone with a safe landing zone W of the 4 line. But in the scenario you've created that is German occupied territory. You may want to think about a different terrain map for this with the Channel being a NFZ. This would go along with your scenario of a failed D-Day invasion. I understand the NFZ is for time but I think you can do this by ruling that the B-29s (w/escort) be the only buffs to go deep since they have the speed and therefore shorter flight time. Then have closer targets only for the B-17s & B-24's.

[Bino]

I'll have to point out a couple of things. Germany had more 262's even with realistic history. You're upgrading the bombers but Axis will still have 5 262 (probably scouts) as usual. A full German occupied Europe in 1945 would've saw Germany able to produce more 262's and maybe 163s plus have them operational. B-29s are dangerous and fast. You're looking at most likely a one-time pass on them by prop fighters if that.

Also you are using the No Fly Zone with a safe landing zone W of the 4 line. But in the scenario you've created that is German occupied territory. You may want to think about a different terrain map for this with the Channel being a NFZ. This would go along with your scenario of a failed D-Day invasion. I understand the NFZ is for time but I think you can do this by ruling that the B-29s (w/escort) be the only buffs to go deep since they have the speed and therefore shorter flight time. Then have closer targets only for the B-17s & B-24's.

The object of any FSO design is to attempt to 1.) provide a somewhat even fight and 2.) provide some historical flavor.  All of that in a sixty-minute window.  If instead we went for total historical accuracy, there would never be any fights over Germany, since it took the USAAF raids several hours just to reach the edge of German airspace.

As for this particular design, it has been reviewed by a number of AH players before publication.  And the comments about it's being "unbalanced" are themselves remarkably balanced: the number of folks who think it might be an Axis romp is about the same as the number who think it may be an Allied landslide.  I plan to go with the design as is - for now - and see how it plays out.

I hope that most folks can enjoy it. 

[BFOOT1]

YES, this looks EPIC.........

BFOOT1, this has us written all over it. I hope to see you up in the sky!     

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Oh yes sir!!!!!!! 
We shall meet again Ditto, and maybe this time we will have a victor <S>

[SlipKnt]

 

Not to apply pressure on the CMs, JG11 or G3-MF...


...Looks like there is a bit of unfinished business between KCDitto & BFOOT1...   

If JG11 is willing, G3-MF would be willing to volunteer for Frame CiC one of those weeks in which I would have BFOOT1 do Allied planning if KCDitto did JG11's planning (assuming they want to be Axis).

I would request it be frame 3.  BFOOT1 should be home from school for the holidays.  I would help to guide BFOOT1 to ensure all of the requirements have been met.

Let those two war it out for a night!  Any thoughts???  Agree???  Disagree???

 

 
SlipKnoT

[alpini13]

    isnt this a little bit ONE sided for the planes set???  i mean. this is going to be a high alt event, the piston engined german fighter that were used in the HIGH alt role also had the AS high alt engine available...AND metyhenol/water injection(mw50).....these are NOT in aces high.......and so what has been done in this fantasy is add the best bomber the allies have and left the axis plane set with what it usually gets.   what should be added is the ar 234 as the scout,as they were used in the recon role,and MORE me 262's to target the b-29's, and two groups of me163 to be used in two different target areas. this would be MORE historically accurate for the fantasy event,and can be done with what we have available.

[-ammo-]

The 56th is in and will request P-47M, P-47D, and P-47N  

I hope we catch JG11 in the virtual skies - always a worthy  opponent. 

[Zoney]

The 56th is in and will request P-47M, P-47D, and P-47N  

I hope we catch JG11 in the virtual skies - always a worthy  opponent. 

Certainly a worthwhile battle shall ensue shall that occur.

I hope to "Kill my enemies in battle and hear the lamentations of their women"...................

 

[Stampf]

Not to apply pressure on the CMs, JG11 or G3-MF...


...Looks like there is a bit of unfinished business between KCDitto & BFOOT1...   

If JG11 is willing, G3-MF would be willing to volunteer for Frame CiC one of those weeks in which I would have BFOOT1 do Allied planning if KCDitto did JG11's planning (assuming they want to be Axis).

I would request it be frame 3.  BFOOT1 should be home from school for the holidays.  I would help to guide BFOOT1 to ensure all of the requirements have been met.

Let those two war it out for a night!  Any thoughts???  Agree???  Disagree???

 

 
SlipKnoT

 

No harm no foul...but I know we are fresh off CiC duty and it would be between Ditto and Bino (JG11 CiC).  But something tells me Ditto and Bfoot1 are looking for a more...up close and personal coming together.   

The 56th is in and will request P-47M, P-47D, and P-47N  

I hope we catch JG11 in the virtual skies - always a worthy  opponent. 

<S>

Have to go back many many years since the last time the 56th and JG11 met at altitude and squadron strength while in the Jugs and Irons respectively.

All I recall is blukitty latching on to my arse and violating me repeatedly all the way from 30k to the deck... the horror!


I requested Ta152, Fw190D, and Fw190A.  The first two just for the fact we never get to fly them in FSO.  B29's? Bah!  You can have Sabre's, if in the 1 in 5 chance over the three frames I can lead a squad of 152's in an FSO environment!  That's what we call, Ausgezeichnet!!

See ya up!

[MachNix]

Looking at the write-up I see that ME-163 may be used. 

1. With the limited flight time of the 163 and fields closing shortly after the start, will the 163 pilots (if any) just sit in their birds on the runway until needed?

2. Is it a onetime flight for the 163s or will they be allowed to launch again after a successful landing?

[BFOOT1]

No harm no foul...but I know we are fresh off CiC duty and it would be between Ditto and Bino (JG11 CiC).  But something tells me Ditto and Bfoot1 are looking for a more...up close and personal coming together.   




<S>

Have to go back many many years since the last time the 56th and JG11 met at altitude and squadron strength while in the Jugs and Irons respectively.

All I recall is blukitty latching on to my arse and violating me repeatedly all the way from 30k to the deck... the horror!


I requested Ta152, Fw190D, and Fw190A.  The first two just for the fact we never get to fly them in FSO.  B29's? Bah!  You can have Sabre's, if in the 1 in 5 chance over the three frames I can lead a squad of 152's in an FSO environment!  That's what we call, Ausgezeichnet!!

See ya up!

Herr Stampf Ditto and I go back to November of '44 over the skies of Germany. Yes we hope to get up close and personal. I will be sporting my 355th FG skin in my P 51D with the squadron letters WR Z plane name 'Lil' Miss Ali' <S>

[viking73]

The object of any FSO design is to attempt to 1.) provide a somewhat even fight and 2.) provide some historical flavor.  All of that in a sixty-minute window.  If instead we went for total historical accuracy, there would never be any fights over Germany, since it took the USAAF raids several hours just to reach the edge of German airspace.

As for this particular design, it has been reviewed by a number of AH players before publication.  And the comments about it's being "unbalanced" are themselves remarkably balanced: the number of folks who think it might be an Axis romp is about the same as the number who think it may be an Allied landslide.  I plan to go with the design as is - for now - and see how it plays out.

I hope that most folks can enjoy it. 

No, I wasn't asking for "total historical accuracy". It's a fictional storyline. So no one brought up that the Allied planes would be landing on German airfields? I think you need some new reviewers. Next time you do a setup, run it by me and I'll look it over for you.

It should be an ok FSO. Was just trying to point out some things.

[perdue3]

It looks ok to me. It is fictional so anything goes. Nice to see the Ta 152 finally!! Too bad we can't enjoy it

Viel Glück Axis 

[Squire]

So no one brought up that the Allied planes would be landing on German airfields

They are not landing on German airfields. They are landing on Allied airfields (being portrayed on that terrain) in England. Unless you want an SEA event that lasts for 6-8 hours (the typical mission flight time to Germany and return from Britain) we have to let the Allied planes land somewhere before T+120. Otherwise we could not do any kind of "Bomber Offensive to Germany" setup of any kind because the flight time to run it would be too long. In FSO the planes have 60 minutes to fly before they must rtb back to where they came from.

...I really dont want 8th AF setups that are limited to bombing the coast of France. The design is typical of any you would find in a Scenario, Snapshot, SEC, ect covering the same kind of thing with bombers flying to Germany from England and back including the Scenario "Battle over Germany" (2011) that had the first 3 frames prior to D-Day using the same Germany map with similar base locations. We did a B-29 setup vs Japan few times and they all landed on an island base 200 miles (8 sectors) south of Japan rather than flying the entire 1400 miles to bases in Saipan, im sure to the releif of most participants  There are design limits in what we can do in SEA designs. Regards.