TV or Monitor

[zack1234]

Why are they so expensive?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Why are they so expensive?

High end models always cost more. Plus here in euroland we pay taxes. VAT alone is 22 to 25% lol. That goes on top of customs, freight, profit etc...

[zack1234]

Greeks never paid a penny

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Greeks never paid a penny

Oh they did. Just not the richest ones. And now the poor suffer for it. The country got majorly ripped off by the political and financial elite. The city officials of Thessaloniki embezzled 50 million euros during 7 years for example and the guilty parties were never punished.

[gyrene81]

Take note that of the proper size tvs most rate from 'okay' to 'bad' and 'okay' is 50+ ms lag. If you sort the 'tv':s starting from the puny 27" size then you get a completely false picture, pun intended.

nice job ignoring the obvious. compared to the number of monitors that also ranked from "okay" to "bad"...i'd say a 32 inch tv with 25ms input lag for under $300 is just as good as a $450 27 inch led monitor.

[zack1234]

What is the real input of lag to the game really?

Its like Frame rate is a high frame good or is it relevant?

so HDMI causes lag and dvi does not?

This is a very informative  thread

[gyrene81]

What is the real input of lag to the game really?

input of lag? look up input lag Zack, it's better to see a demo than to try and have it explained.

Its like Frame rate is a high frame good or is it relevant?

unlike frame rates, the lower the input lag, the better. it's only milliseconds but, in games where reaction times count, he who can react faster wins.

so HDMI causes lag and dvi does not?

hdmi is the primary high definition video connection method of televisions and all of the post image processing (which is the real cause of input lag) occurs when you use an hdmi connection. television manufacturers are getting a little better by adding the ability to terminate all of the post image processing for an hdmi port through the television setup menu system.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

nice job ignoring the obvious. compared to the number of monitors that also ranked from "okay" to "bad"...i'd say a 32 inch tv with 25ms input lag for under $300 is just as good as a $450 27 inch led monitor.

Umm... no. HDMI is notoriously problematic with computers. Much better to get a proper monitor instead. Try finding a true 240hz tv with 1ms input lag somewhere

Also TV models can be hard to figure out in the shop, you need exactly the same model and the same manufacturing period as the one tested to know with any certainty that any of the specs match. TVs are not designed to be monitors so the internals can change without notice. Even in monitors you can get differenent manufacturer panels depending from the batch. When I bought my Samsung BW226 monitor it had 3 different panels available and you could only see the brand from the service menu (post purchase obviously). Only 1 of them was considered good... I was lucky to get the proper one.

[gyrene81]

Umm... no. HDMI is notoriously problematic with computers. Much better to get a proper monitor instead. Try finding a true 240hz tv with 1ms input lag somewhere

i'd like to see that true 240hz monitor...let alone one with even 25ms input lag. try again...

[MrRiplEy[H]]

i'd like to see that true 240hz monitor...let alone one with even 25ms input lag. try again...

According to Eizo input lag is around 1ms. http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1383107475

Perhaps you should get up to date?

edit: posted wrong link, corrected. Also slight confusion with the two links, the original link was true 240hz, this one is gaming oriented and has special circuitry for input lag reduction. But its 120hz refresh with 120hz black split.

[gyrene81]

According to Eizo input lag is around 1ms. http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1383107475

Perhaps you should get up to date?

edit: posted wrong link, corrected. Also slight confusion with the two links, the original link was true 240hz, this one is gaming oriented and has special circuitry for input lag reduction. But its 120hz refresh with 120hz black split.

no i saw the original press release on the eizo 240hz, the specs have always been 120hz converted, not a true 240hz.

special circuitry    ok...according to your link, that circuitry isn't doing as good a job as standard dell desktop monitor.

[Randy1]

Then it is better to use the VGA port on my TV rather than the HDMI?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Let me self quote:

Our testing gave us a small range of measurements in the very low end of milliseconds close to zero, which is probably due to small inaccuracies with our testing equipment. Input lag is virtually zero based on our testing. This is obviously great for gaming, but just compared side-by-side to a typical Dell office monitor it is actually noticeable when moving the mouse around on the desktop.

What this means Gyrene, is that not only the input lag was so small that the measuring device couldn't reliably measure it, it was noticeably faster on desktop use compared to a regular Dell.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Then it is better to use the VGA port on my TV rather than the HDMI?

For response - probably yes. But even the VGA doesn't completely bypass the image processing which is usually the cause of the extra input lag in tv:s. But for overall image quality - probably no. That is, if your hdmi actually agrees to sync with your computer and you get a proper native resolution out of it.

If you're lucky you may have a tv that actually passes for casual gaming - but it's a total crap shoot to go shopping for a tv for the use.

[gyrene81]

Learn to read! What is going on with you? The link stated that input lag is non measurable and the Dell monitor was VISIBLY LAGGING BEHIND. The panel actually does 240hz the problem is DVI/displayport which are specced only up to 144hz.

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i did read it, and obviously my grasp of the english language is a much better than yours. that p.o.s. 120hz monitor was lagging behind a basic dell monitor.

http://thegamerspad.net/eizo-foris-fg2421-24-240hz-gaming-monitor/#

EIZO has dubbed the technology as ‘Turbo 240′ which converts an already fast 120Hz signal to a incredible 240Hz by strobbing the backlight.