Stab JG54 109F4

[Devil 505]

No text explanations in that book about why green was applied ?  Does it state "Green" ?

None whatsoever. These pictures, along with another showing Trautloft's other winter 109F, used a single caption referring to the use of winter camouflage on airfield equipment.

[Stampf]

None whatsoever. These pictures, along with another showing Trautloft's other winter 109F, used a single caption referring to the use of winter camouflage on airfield equipment.

White Green or Black on his other F?

All Trautloft's 109's in my inventory show White/Black.  His 190's too.

[Devil 505]

Partial winter whitewash, white markings. It's the one we have already in game, the so called "cow" skin.

[Stampf]

Partial winter whitewash, white markings. It's the one we have already in game, the so called "cow" skin.

Heaven forbid....White on White...

Thought so.

Green is very odd Devil.  Photo taken on special occasion? Does anything mention an award ceremony like receiving the Ritterkruez...etc...? No other text?

[Devil 505]

It is odd, I'll give you that. My book give no indication as to why green was used, or even who the pilots of any of the planes were. Here is the caption verbatim from pg. 106: "Rjelbitzi - for reasons of camouflage the warming tent and vehicles are covered with tarpaulins. The aircraft parked in the foreground are being fueled and serviced."

[Devil 505]

Ghost, something else just occurred to me. You're using the later Stab green heart with the gruppe emblems inside. That wasn't introduced until late '42. Use a simple green heart instead.

[Stampf]

It is odd, I'll give you that. My book give no indication as to why green was used, or even who the pilots of any of the planes were. Here is the caption verbatim from pg. 106: "Rjelbitzi - for reasons of camouflage the warming tent and vehicles are covered with tarpaulins. The aircraft parked in the foreground are being fueled and serviced."

Something is not right.  Trautloft scored no victories from Nov 41 to March 42. The later recorded in his usual F-2. (White Stab of course).

I'll find the answer if I try hard enough...and get back to you.  I can find no evidence Hannes Trautloft flew this aircraft.  Somewhere, sometime, someone attributed him to this picture.

[Devil 505]

Something is not right.  Trautloft scored no victories from Nov 41 to March 42. The later recorded in his usual F-2. (White Stab of course).

I'll find the answer if I try hard enough...and get back to you.  I can find no evidence Hannes Trautloft flew this aircraft.  Somewhere, sometime, someone attributed him to this picture.

I'm getting this impression as well. Seeing as Trautloft himself contributed to the book himself, I'd figure that he'd make mention of another of his planes. It must have been flown by somebody else.

[Stampf]

I'm getting this impression as well. Seeing as Trautloft himself contributed to the book himself, I'd figure that he'd make mention of another of his planes. It must have been flown by somebody else.

Especially one as unique as the one proposed.  I have no doubt that is not a Trautloft ride.  If you wish me to continue the investigation I will Devil, otherwise I will let it go.

[Devil 505]

It's really up to Ghost. I hope he knows that you don't have to know who the pilot was to submit a skin. I must say though, I am interested in the reason behind the green markings, more so than who the pilot was.

[Stampf]

It's really up to Ghost. I hope he knows that you don't have to know who the pilot was to submit a skin. I must say though, I am interested in the reason behind the green markings, more so than who the pilot was.

I really don't care about the skin aspect at all. Just the History.

Between you and me... I submit that those are JG54 Stab training rides (that were once kombat used) utilizing green in winter over usual white to differentiate from Kombat Stab (White/Black) and this is because 3 Div.Flieger-SchulDivision was based at Siverskaya temporarily in the Winter of 41/42.  

I can not prove this beyond any doubt with my current inventory/sources...but I will continue if you wish me too. I am certain that photo was included in the book as just an example of 54th winter rides...hence Trautloft makes no mention of it being his plane, nor does the caption or text.

Someone (prob. a profiler) assumed such...that is all.





  

[GhostCDB]

[GhostCDB]

Found on page 38 and 39

[Stampf]

We understand the source Ratio.

Just submit that it is wrong.  Even the profile is wrong, as Devil pointed out...It shows a later version of the Green Heart. That should put eveything in question to you.  That plane does not fit anywhere into Johannes Trautloft's very complete and public service record.  That's all.

Sorry is I come off like an arse initially.  Not my intention.

[GhostCDB]

Skin Deleted.