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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2013, 04:28:08 PM »
I do.



That's a very helpful explanation. Thank you for your contribution to the Training forum.

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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2013, 04:45:17 PM »
That's a very helpful explanation.

I'm not a trainer and I am not retained by HTC to confer my hard-earned understanding of ACM to whoever asks for it. I was commenting on the quality of your comment:


Cutting throttle is often useful but I don't see it benefiting turning unless you are above corner speed.

Infers that rate of turn is the only beneficial way to out-turn your opponent, which is incorrect or at the very best incomplete. You clearly know this from an earlier post of yours.


Thank you for your contribution to the Training forum.

So let me clarify your point about the Training Forum. Contending a point about ACM is not a contribution?



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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2013, 04:58:06 PM »
So let me clarify your point about the Training Forum. Contending a point about ACM is not a contribution?

Not unless you explain why exactly you're contending the point.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2013, 05:26:46 PM »
Not unless you explain why exactly you're contending the point.

Let FLS have an opportunity to respond to my second point.

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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2013, 06:04:23 PM »
Sup Nrsh, having a bad day?
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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2013, 06:56:42 PM »
Let FLS have an opportunity to respond to my second point.


You haven't made a point on topic. You took a statement out of context so you'd have something to criticize.

I won't waste any more time on you.

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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2013, 10:28:52 PM »
You haven't made a point on topic. You took a statement out of context so you'd have something to criticize.

I won't waste any more time on you.

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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #52 on: December 25, 2013, 02:43:24 AM »
You haven't made a point on topic. You took a statement out of context so you'd have something to criticize.

How can this:

Cutting throttle is often useful but I don't see it benefiting turning unless you are above corner speed.


...be taken out of context? I criticized your statement because as a discourse on tuning it is incomplete and misleading to other players. Wasn't it clear that this was my point? It's not a personal but a professional issue. Although if you're curious yes I do incidentally think you are a tool.

Why? Because here as in other places you would rather put a stop to, or discourage, a potentially edifying and interesting discussion with your arrogant attitude & b/s moving goalpost tactics to protect your need to never be seen to be wrong or having anything less than a complete understanding. A discussion isn't desirable or even possible under these circumstances. Once again, I congratulate you  :)


I won't waste any more time on you.

Splendid. I suggest other players don't waste any time reading your tragically confined approach to ACM as well.


Sup Nrsh, having a bad day?

Hi buddy. No not at all, having some nice days off. I always deal with these arrogant merchant bankers in this way now. Let's call it an adaptation. Merry Christmas to you.  :cheers:



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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #53 on: December 25, 2013, 04:05:06 AM »
Popcorn.

Back on topic, the 109F vs F4U is a pretty even fight, as long as the F4U cant dive away and run.

The 109 has a small disadvantage in the turn radius, but also some advantage in the turn rate and climbing performance. Also the 109 has some torque too.

-dont try the flat scissors against the F4U. It will end up with your death pretty quickly.
-dont try the classical rolling scissors against the F4U, especially when it is following a downhill path. You have a chance, but only when the F4U is heavy and/or youre clearly superior to the Corsair pilot.
-the 109's game is the overshooting in the vertical rolling scissors, using hammerheads, etc. Force it.

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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #54 on: December 25, 2013, 04:47:24 AM »
Very very very unimaginative & conventional thinking.

FLS made some clear, logical and factually correct statements.

If you would like to share some more imaginative and non conventional thinking on this topic, that in any way refutes what FLS has said, please do, I for one would like to see it.

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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #55 on: December 25, 2013, 06:46:36 AM »
Im afraid, Shida is Zorro. And DozyDuck. And Roofi-oooh too. And what so ever.   :uhoh
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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #56 on: December 25, 2013, 11:32:43 AM »
Im afraid, Shida is Zorro. And DozyDuck. And Roofi-oooh too. And what so ever.   :uhoh

Nah, I've fought both, I would know if he was Sorry or not.

Hi buddy. No not at all, having some nice days off. I always deal with these arrogant merchant bankers in this way now. Let's call it an adaptation. Merry Christmas to you.  :cheers:

Copy that. <<S>> and merry Christmas to you and all else too.
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Re: bf.109-f4 vs f4u
« Reply #57 on: December 25, 2013, 11:35:34 AM »
Nah, I've fought both, I would know if he was Sorry or not.
I know  ;)
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