Need some help with Track IR

[4deck]

I've been playing Track IR for around 2 weeks now. Read a lot of old threads on the subject, and even watched a few youtube vids on setup. For the life of me though I can't get it to look behind me properly. I also went as far as using my hat switch to help but the views just plain suck. Which brings me to my question. Is there someone out there that would spend a little time in the training arena to clue me in. I can use Skype if that helps to share my screen and post my settings. Anyway let me know if anyone out there could lend a brother a hand.

Thanx Floatsup

[Randy1]

Looking back just takes a bit of practice and letting your mind get fooled.  I too use to keep a button just for looking back.  I disabled the button and made myself figure it out and TRUST TrackIR.

Basically, if you want to look back to the right say you should turn your head right, look at the head rest then lean to the left to see around the head rest just like you were sitting in the plane.  With a little practice it will be natural.  Trust what you see on the screen and let your mind takeover.

Now one thing is move your default head position forward a bit. On the P38  as an example move your head position forward till you can see past the vertical brace.  If you look at WW2 photos you will see the pilots  head is well forward of the head armor plate.

In offline practice sit on the runway in say a P51D or a P47M.  Both offer an exceptional rear view.  Then try a P38L.  It has a lot of cockpit window supports that kind of like a grid so you can judge your head movement. 

On the P38  move your head position forward till you can see past the vertical brace.  If you look at WW2 photos you will see the pilots  head is well forward of the head armor plate.

[Drano]

There's a bit of a trick to looking back but the results will be different from plane to plane. I fly the 38 so I have it down pretty well. Other planes that have bad vis out the back to begin with like say an F6F are gonna be what they're gonna be. I like a good forward field of view so I don't have my default view set far forward. If I just turn my head left or right too far from the center position in TIR, I'm looking at the armor plate at about nose length. So that's no good. The trick. Play around with the TIR axis that moves your view forward and back (forget which one that is) to give yourself a fair ammount of forward. You have to lean in forward a bit first then turn. Do this and you'll have a better view out the back. It'll be better than just turning your head in TIR but not as good as the hat switch 6 view you're used to.

Of course YMMV.

[Traveler]

I've been playing Track IR for around 2 weeks now. Read a lot of old threads on the subject, and even watched a few youtube vids on setup. For the life of me though I can't get it to look behind me properly. I also went as far as using my hat switch to help but the views just plain suck. Which brings me to my question. Is there someone out there that would spend a little time in the training arena to clue me in. I can use Skype if that helps to share my screen and post my settings. Anyway let me know if anyone out there could lend a brother a hand.

Thanx Floatsup

If you are having a problem with Track IR, first ensure that you are not having an issue with background lighting or an odd light source that is causing the issue.   I've used Tracker IR right out of the box with no changes to the profile right from day one and the only time I have ever had issues is when the back ground lighting interferes in some way.  Perhaps "background lighting" is the wrong phrase.  A problem from an odd or random light source, that may be directly in front of you, not in the background.  Once I had an issue with strong sun light that came in the window in front of me and reflected off a picture frame behind me and caused an issue.  Something like that is what I'd look for.   Using the tools that TIR provides, you should be able to see the light sources that the camera thingy is keying on.  That may provide you with a clue, good luck.

[Max]

I've been playing Track IR for around 2 weeks now.....Anyway let me know if anyone out there could lend a brother a hand.

Thanx Floatsup

I've been using TIR5 for about a week now, and started off about the same way. If you downloaded the 5.2.2 software, I would HIGHLY encourage you to delete it and download the previous version; 4.2.039. Most if not all of the set-up documentation (including the AH Trainers website) was done using the 4.2 version. Last week WWhiskey spent an hour with me by phone and got me up and running. I'd be happy to spend some time with you either Saturday or Sunday morning. PM me.

[hyzer]

What helped me the most with looking back was a very aggressive profile for the X axis, a really sharp V.  I only have to lean a little to one side to be right up against the canopy, then turn to get a view straight back.   This will be the same view you can dial in with snap views and seat position.  One other thing that helped was to change to a chair that didn't have wheels.   So out went the office chair, I borrowed one of the wifes dining room chairs.  I found that pressing my pedals moved the chair around just a wee bit, just enough to never be in the same place all the time. 

[Delirium]

If you're having trouble with looking around the cockpit, you can also disable all but the yaw and Y axis. When you do this, the Track IR will use the head positions saved within Aces High. However, you won't have the ability to look around the cockpit as easily.

Let me rephrase that. If you disable all but the yaw and the Y axis you will have the ability to use saved positions but you won't have the minute control of looking around the gunsight (for example) like you do with all the axis enabled.

[Rich46yo]

I have a good profile I got from the A-10 program. I shut off the axis that zooms and zooms out because it was to disorientating and I just set zoom to a button on my stick. I also believe how you set your default views in the game affects how your trackIR views work.

I hated it when I first got it and went about 6 mos shutting it off, and then one day it just clicked in and I couldnt imagine being without one. I really hate the fact that so many FPS games have no Track IR support. I think Track IR is just as useful as a ground soldier as a Pilot. I believe Arma is the only one that has it.

[4deck]

Really Appreciate the help gents. Max, I'll look you up online this weekend. Im using the 5 driver, so I'll try the beta version to start. It's a shame though when you spend a few duckets, and its not what you hoped for, but hey Im a gamer, and will persevere.

See you in the skies, hopefully not behind me. LOL
Cheers.

[Drano]

It's a shame though when you spend a few duckets, and its not what you hoped for, but hey Im a gamer, and will persevere.

I think just about everybody seems to have this period of adjustment to TIR that drives them nuts, myself included. Some people get so disoriented they literally get sick! Just stay with it and tweak your profiles and speeds until you find something that works for you. You'll get the hang of it. And if it gets bad map a button on your stick to pause TIR and voila you're right back to your regular hat switch views.

[Wiley]

I also have my X axis extremely sensitive.  I do most of my looking around the canopy with my X axis.  What works for me is to have a very aggressive X axis profile, with a dead spot in the middle.  All my curves have a little space in the middle that does nothing.  I'd say there's an area about the size of a golfball where my view in game stays neutral when it's in it.  Once I move outside that area though, it doesn't take much to get to the side of the canopy.  What I do in the truly horrible view planes like the F6F is, I turn my head so I'm looking at 9 o'clock or 3 o'clock, then I slide my head toward the front of the canopy on the X axis, this moves my viewpoint up by the gunsight.  Then I continue turning to look backwards.

It takes a long time to explain in words, but in game I can do it in a fraction of a second.  Once I got used to it, it works well.  My setup is a bit different though.  The chair I'm in more or less immobilizes my upper body so I really do all my movement from the neck up.

Wiley.

[Randy1]

I think just about everybody seems to have this period of adjustment to TIR that drives them nuts, myself included.

Same here but now I can't imagine being without TrackIR.

I use 5 and have no problems at all.

[Max]

Really Appreciate the help gents. Max, I'll look you up online this weekend. Im using the 5 driver, so I'll try the beta version to start.

4.2.039 isn't the Beta version, simply the predecessor to 5.xx. I simply found the GUI interface easier to work with. The real key to getting set-up was WWhiskey's assistance and his TIR software was the 4.2 so I simply rolled back to be "on the same page" as it were.

One essential is the F12 key, which centers your view at any given time. Using hot key mapping via the software, you can map F12 to any joystick assignment.

[Mace2004]

4Deck, before you go about making lots of changes check two things that can really screw up your rear views.  In the TIR software profiles page under Motion Adjustment you'll see a TrueView radio button.  Make sure this is NOT checked (i.e., it's also "OFF").  Now, go into AH and select Clipboard/Options/Preferences/View Options and make sure that "TrackIR Object Relative Move" is turned "OFF."  Now see if your rear views work better.  (Conversely, it works with both TV and TIRORM turned "On" but there's a subtle difference between the two in the way the in-game head pivots up and down so I prefer for them both to be OFF.)

Both of these selections affect the same thing and that's the way the side-to-side and fore-and-aft motions (translations) of your head are interpreted by the game and the direction in which your in-game head moves.  If the selections are mismatched (one on, the other off) then those motions are reversed when looking aft (leaning your head to your right causes your in-game head to move left) which really screws things up so check those setting before switching to previous TIR drivers or getting dramatic with changes to the profile shapes.

Like the others said though, some aircraft are just hard to see behind.  All the F-4U (except the -1) and the older 109s (E, F, and G2) are tough because they have shields that extend up and over the pilot's head for instance.

[FLS]

I've been playing Track IR for around 2 weeks now. Read a lot of old threads on the subject, and even watched a few youtube vids on setup. For the life of me though I can't get it to look behind me properly. I also went as far as using my hat switch to help but the views just plain suck. Which brings me to my question. Is there someone out there that would spend a little time in the training arena to clue me in. I can use Skype if that helps to share my screen and post my settings. Anyway let me know if anyone out there could lend a brother a hand.

Thanx Floatsup

This is a TrackIR F4U rear view with version 5.1.300. I have roll turned off. I lean forward and to one side then turn my head a little to look back.




If you still need help let me know and we'll set up a time.