Mustang Lost Ailerons in Dive - Anyone Else?

[Vraciu]

Could be too you were being chased by another plane you did not see with tracers off.

Could be but I don't think so...

[Vraciu]

right, must be a cheat, couldn't have been You.  Accept the facts as presented.  You were in a dive,   parts of your airframe came off.   Do you happen to have film?

Never said it was a cheat.  People were claiming it has never happened to anyone to their knowledge so I asked about it here to learn.

[mechanic]

I have ripped parts off most planes in dives over the years. I'm pretty sure I've ripped the wings off a mustang before. Not sure about ailerons.

[Vraciu]

I have ripped parts off most planes in dives over the years. I'm pretty sure I've ripped the wings off a mustang before. Not sure about ailerons.

Well, if I got pinged by puffy ack or something before I dove in I suppose it could have weakened them, as someone suggested.

I have flown so fast in Mustangs that I needed trim to get the nose up.   That wasn't the case this time so......    Hmmm.....

[Traveler]

Of course.  Push the nose forward gently and you'll be in a zero-G dive.  Push a bit more and you'll start to accrue negative-Gs.  Start the dive by rolling on your back first, then keep pulling the same way and you'll experience the same range of choices.

- oldman

What I think you are trying to describe is: "Unloading" which if performed as you state: "push the nose forward gently " will not result in a zero-G.  In order to unload the G load on an airframe the pitch change is quick, not gentle and the reduction in G force is only temporary, the purpose is to allow a quick acceleration of the airframe, but gravity quickly returns to a normal 1-G rating.   If the procedure was performed as you describe the aircraft would always remain at a 1G + through the entire maneuver.   My point being that there is no such thing as a zero G dive.  The maneuver when performed correctly temporally reduces the G force on the airframe to zero to allow the aircraft to accelerate quickly.  If the Pilot is accelerating nose down, the G force quickly returns to normal , the dive is performed at 1 G or greater.   

[FLS]

Traveler I think you're confusing load factor with acceleration of the airframe. Oldman is describing diving at the zero lift AOA.

[Traveler]

Traveler I think you're confusing load factor with acceleration of the airframe. Oldman is describing diving at the zero lift AOA.

No, Oldman was responding to my statement that there is no such thing as a zero G dive.   That's the term being used by the OP.  AOA has more to do with relative wind not G forces.

[FLS]

You seem to be ignoring that AOA determines load factor. You push the nose down until the zero lift AOA, shown on the accelerometer as 0G, and you can maintain that in a dive until you hit the ground.

[Vraciu]

No, Oldman was responding to my statement that there is no such thing as a zero G dive.   That's the term being used by the OP.  AOA has more to do with relative wind not G forces.

Really?   Where? 

[Traveler]

Really?   Where? 

Here:

Of course.  Push the nose forward gently and you'll be in a zero-G dive.  Push a bit more and you'll start to accrue negative-Gs.  Start the dive by rolling on your back first, then keep pulling the same way and you'll experience the same range of choices.

- oldman

[Traveler]

You seem to be ignoring that AOA determines load factor. You push the nose down until the zero lift AOA, shown on the accelerometer as 0G, and you can maintain that in a dive until you hit the ground.

Please do it and film it.   5K will be enough alt to start from, say a 45 degree dive angle, to the ground, at 0G.

[Vraciu]

Here:

Wrong again.  I never used the terms you ascribed to me, the "OP".

[Traveler]

Wrong again.  I never used the terms you ascribed to me, the "OP".

Sorry, your correct, I should have referred to Oldman.   It was his statement.  Not yours. 

[FLS]

Please do it and film it.   5K will be enough alt to start from, say a 45 degree dive angle, to the ground, at 0G.

You can't set the dive angle and specify 0G, gravity sets the angle on a ballistic flight path.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/6amp05j126dnsy6/5k0Gdive.ahf

[Traveler]

You can't set the dive angle and specify 0G, gravity sets the angle on a ballistic flight path.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/6amp05j126dnsy6/5k0Gdive.ahf

sorry, I don't download from mediafire so I have no idea what's in the file.  Look I responded to the OP statement about his dive in on a specific target, an aircraft.   Someone else mentioned a low G dive.   As far as I know you can't dive on a specific target without at least some g.   It's not the dive that presents the g unless you happen to be maneuvering.  It's the pull out from the dive that will present the g's.  I'm done with this.