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Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« on: February 23, 2014, 07:55:30 PM »
Just making sure on this.   Swastikas are banned even on victory markings?

Working on a Pony skin.   The original has swastika victory flags.  I need to change these to balkenkruz/iron crosses?
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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 08:33:58 PM »
There are skins in game already that use them on kill markings. I'd say that it's ok.
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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2014, 10:09:50 PM »
There are skins in game already that use them on kill markings. I'd say that it's ok.

Surprised those made it through, my understanding was that even kill markings were supposed to be replaced by Xs or crosses.
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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 01:45:48 AM »
My understanding is they are not allowed and I'd at least ask HTC before submitting a skin with them on. Personally I replace swastika kill markings with crosses on my skins, unless they are so small in resolution they end up being a 2-3 pixel diamond shape.

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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 01:56:11 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_of_Nazi_symbols_in_Germany

It is a German law ... but HTC has (and can potentially have more) German customers.

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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 02:58:54 AM »
Use the iron cross, people get the idea.
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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 05:51:16 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_of_Nazi_symbols_in_Germany

It is a German law ... but HTC has (and can potentially have more) German customers.


"Note that the prohibition isn't tied to the symbol itself but to its use in a context suggestive of association with outlawed organizations."

Thus a kill marking on an American plane skin would NOT be illegal.
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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 07:26:38 AM »

"Note that the prohibition isn't tied to the symbol itself but to its use in a context suggestive of association with outlawed organizations."

Thus a kill marking on an American plane skin would NOT be illegal.

With interpretation left to German courts (not the court of Vraciu) HTC has prohibited the symbol to avoid all potential problems. Anything making it past their policy is just that, something that got past it. Contact HTC directly for full clarification.

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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2014, 12:31:56 PM »
The German courts have already ruled on this.   HTC has nothing to worry about.
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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2014, 02:55:39 PM »
There is a set of guidelines listed on the HTC skins submission page regarding what is acceptable WRT skins. This includes the following:

We will not accept skins containing the German swastiska.  NOTE: If you are making a skin that originally had a German swastiska, just leave the spot blank where the swastiska would have been, or change the swatiska to the Iron Cross. Use your best judgement on this.

I've always taken this to mean kill markings as well as the LW tail marking, but if you want to be sure just PM Skuzzy about it.

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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2014, 03:01:35 PM »


  NOTE: If you are making a skin that originally had a German swastiska, just leave the spot blank where the swastiska would have been, or change the swatiska to the Iron Cross.

'Cause folks don't care nearly as much about the millions of people who died due to the actions of the Kaiser :D





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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2014, 04:42:11 PM »
'Cause folks don't care nearly as much about the millions of people who died due to the actions of the Kaiser :D





(Just a bit of ironic humor on this guys, I know HTC does not set the laws in other countries, etc.)

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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2014, 06:19:08 PM »
What plane skins currently have swastika kill markings?
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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2014, 06:29:13 PM »
What plane skins currently have swastika kill markings?

Don't tell him or they'll get rid of 'em.
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Re: Swastika Kill Markings - Verbotten?
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2014, 06:45:33 PM »
What plane skins currently have swastika kill markings?
Allied ones.  :devil
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