Penalty for intentionally crashing into opponents

[caldera]

Title says it all, have at it.

There is a penalty.  Whatever part of your aircraft that hits something takes damage.

[The Fugitive]

Maybe I should have been more clear.

Many of the collisions I have mentioned were me in a GV or buffs being attacked by a fighter.

I still don't see how an airplane can survive a collision with a tank but I've seen them fly off not even smoking after seeing the collide message.

On his computer he flew very close to your tank but ..... and heres the rub..... HE DIDN'T HIT IT! so no damage. It may be a bit of a flaw because it might be a bit tough moving your tank out of the way quick enough, but for the most part the system works. You avoid contact, you avoid damage, period.

[Volron]

I understand how the collision model works. I am still baffled by the fact that I "Lose" 99% of collisions, even the ones where I am rammed from dead-6 by some idiot who can't figure out how to use his guns.

Yeah.  I sometimes forget to switch back to the 30mm in the 152 after ditching the drop tank...

[FLS]

I understand how the collision model works. I am still baffled by the fact that I "Lose" 99% of collisions, even the ones where I am rammed from dead-6 by some idiot who can't figure out how to use his guns.

You're baffled that somebody flew close to you on their computer and on your computer you had a collision?

[FLOOB]

There are two collision messages. "you have collided" and "X collided with you".

[ReVo]

You're baffled that somebody flew close to you on their computer and on your computer you had a collision?

I am baffled that the system blames the collision on me, and deals out all the damage to my aircraft.

[Lusche]

I am baffled that the system blames the collision on me, and deals out all the damage to my aircraft.

It doesn't work like that. The system never blames anyone for anything.

There's a collision on your screen (front end, computer, whatever) = "you have collided" = you take damage
There's a collision on your enemie's screen (front end, computer, whatever) = "XXX has collided" = he takes damage.

That's all. No blame, no intention, no 'win' or 'loss' of a collision.

[ReVo]

It doesn't work like that. The system never blames anyone for anything.

There's a collision on your screen (front end, computer, whatever) = "you have collided" = you take damage
There's a collision on your enemie's screen (front end, computer, whatever) = "XXX has collided" = he takes damage.

That's all. No blame, no intention, no 'win' or 'loss' of a collision.

Except that the system allows for another player to hit me from dead 6 and fly away with no damage.

[Lusche]

Except that the system allows for another player to hit me from dead 6 and fly away with no damage.

He doesn't hit you on his screen, thus no damage.
And this works actually both ways, with HIM hitting you on his screen, taking damage while you don't.  But that's most often conveniently ignored in this kind of threads.


From the P-47 pilot's film: The P-51 (Lusche) runs intentionally into him on the Pony pilot's FE - "lusche has collided with you". Only the P-51 takes damage


The problem is, folks tend to notice this effect only when it's them who get the damage. If you would do a survey, it would turn out everybody is "losing collisions" almost all of the time

[Karnak]

Except that the system allows for another player to hit me from dead 6 and fly away with no damage.

No it doesn't.  You seem to be locked into an automotive "at fault" type of thinking.  Try to let that go.

Your airplane touched the image of his airplane on your computer.  His airplane did not touch the image of your airplane on his computer.

It does not matter what the directions of travel were.  It does not matter what part of your airplane touched which part of the image of his airplane.  It does not matter the what relative velocities were.  It does not matter if you ever saw the image of his aircraft rendered on your screen.

All that matters is that your airplane touched the image of his airplane on your computer and his airplane did not touch the image of your airplane on his computer.

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Except that the system allows for another player to hit me from dead 6 and fly away with no damage.

on your front end he hit..on his he didn't....

such is lag and the internet


until there is zero lag...

would you have it any other way?

serious....

if you miss on your front end you miss period.....

[kvuo75]

  to you guys willing to explain it again and again and again.. 

I think i'm worn out still from the last collision model thread I was involved in.

[ReVo]

No it doesn't.  You seem to be locked into an automotive "at fault" type of thinking.  Try to let that go.

Your airplane touched the image of his airplane on your computer.  His airplane did not touch the image of your airplane on his computer.

It does not matter what the directions of travel were.  It does not matter what part of your airplane touched which part of the image of his airplane.  It does not matter the what relative velocities were.  It does not matter if you ever saw the image of his aircraft rendered on your screen.

All that matters is that your airplane touched the image of his airplane on your computer and his airplane did not touch the image of your airplane on his computer.

The simple fact is that 90% of the time when there is a collision I receive damage and the other player does not. This annoys me.

[Karnak]

The simple fact is that 90% of the time when there is a collision I receive damage and the other player does not. This annoys me.

I doubt that.  Humans are very good at confirmation bias and I suspect that is at play here.  I suspect you are not seeing the times your image is collided with because to you there is no collision.

That said, if you are consistently suffering collisions it could help you to adjust the way you fly.

[FLS]

The simple fact is that 90% of the time when there is a collision I receive damage and the other player does not. This annoys me.

You might be more annoyed to take damage when you saw that you avoided a collision.