TU-2S, the best Bomber in the game.

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Whatever a buff formation can do, they can't do it at 500mph+

[jeffdn]

That sounds like a bug.

Why do you think B-17s had that capability?

My understanding was that he was using bug in the sense of the word that it was a one-off, or not something that could be replicated. To me, if B17s were not structurally capable of that, I would categorize it as a (minor) design flaw of the game engine.

[XxDaSTaRxx]

It's not a bug. At high altitude, B-17s in a shallow dive can get up to over 500mph TAS. They can go so fast that Me-163s have trouble keeping up with them without compressing.

Certainly not. Like I said, the B-17 starts loosing parts at 400, while in real life somewhere in the 300 range.

[MK-84]

Maybe in AH failure of the airframe is calculated from indicated airspeed and true airspeed does not have an effect?

[Rich46yo]

Did it again yesterday. I think it was 131. We were heavily pressed by a CV at a base and I was able to upp TUs, get them to 9k, and make it to the undamaged CV before we lost the base. The CV was being driven by a pro and he did a left turn "most turn right" but i was able to dump the 9 2,000 kg bombs well enough to sink it. After I sunk it we lost the base, theres only so much one set of bombers can do.

No other airplane could have reached a safe height, gotten there so quickly, and delivered such a punch, then the TU2S.

[Karnak]

No other airplane could have reached a safe height, gotten there so quickly, and delivered such a punch, then the TU2S.

Mossie XVI could, I think, do it functionally as well if formation was used.  After you deliver enough to sink the CV, the rest of the damage doesn't matter.

[earl1937]

Certainly not. Like I said, the B-17 starts loosing parts at 400, while in real life somewhere in the 300 range.

If memory serves, and Columbo could answer this better than me, I think the VNE speed is 354MPH, IAS.

[earl1937]

Maybe in AH failure of the airframe is calculated from indicated airspeed and true airspeed does not have an effect?

All restrictions on aircraft are base on indicated airspeeds! True airspeed is something that is of no use, except for navigational purposes.

[Lusche]

Certainly not. Like I said, the B-17 starts loosing parts at 400, while in real life somewhere in the 300 range.

I have tested it myself after encountering several B-17s which went so fast them even my Me 163 was entering compression while simply trying to keep up. At altitude I was indeed able to approach 500mph TAS without shedding parts and without losing my formation

[Tupac]

All restrictions on aircraft are base on indicated airspeeds! True airspeed is something that is of no use, except for navigational purposes.

I'm not sure about military planes, but there have been several break-ups of experimental airplanes because of people installing a turbocharged engine on an airplane that wasn't designed for it. The true airspeed gets too high at altitude and they get into buffeting and eventually in-flight separation. Vans RV is a good example - they recommend not installing a turbocharged engine for precisely that reason.

[Rich46yo]

Mossie XVI could, I think, do it functionally as well if formation was used.  After you deliver enough to sink the CV, the rest of the damage doesn't matter.

Whats it take again to sink a CV? The problem isnt hitting it, its hitting a turning CV with enough ord to dump it. The more you throw at it the better the chances of dumping it. Last night I clobbered one with 6 2 KG'ers and then turned around and took out the cruiser with the remaining 3. 20+ perkers.

Then I flew a Mossie bomber after ords at 22K. Dang thing is fast as all Hell. A great airplane to keep ords down along a front.

[XxDaSTaRxx]

If memory serves, and Columbo could answer this better than me, I think the VNE speed is 354MPH, IAS.

Thanks earl 

[earl1937]

I have tested it myself after encountering several B-17s which went so fast them even my Me 163 was entering compression while simply trying to keep up. At altitude I was indeed able to approach 500mph TAS without shedding parts and without losing my formation

As you know, I fly 17's 90% of the time in the game! Unless you have a different account than I do, anytime I exceed about 355IAS, I lose rudder first, then elevator, then ailerons. Been that way for past four years. You might have been doing 500 true, which has nothing to do with VNE, but at higher altitudes, big spread in IAS and True! The aircraft only reacts to IAS, not true. True airspeed is just a calculation used in navigational computations. 

[earl1937]

I'm not sure about military planes, but there have been several break-ups of experimental airplanes because of people installing a turbocharged engine on an airplane that wasn't designed for it. The true airspeed gets too high at altitude and they get into buffeting and eventually in-flight separation. Vans RV is a good example - they recommend not installing a turbocharged engine for precisely that reason.

Not trying to start an argument, but the difference in turbo charged, super charged and normally aspirated engines is one of loads, climb rates, fuel burn, true airspeed by virtue of being able to operate at higher altitudes. The RV's are lightly constructed aircraft and I don't know much about those aircraft, but I am sure the "G" limits on airframes are smaller than for normally constructed aircraft such as general aviation aircraft.

[Tupac]

Not trying to start an argument, but the difference in turbo charged, super charged and normally aspirated engines is one of loads, climb rates, fuel burn, true airspeed by virtue of being able to operate at higher altitudes. The RV's are lightly constructed aircraft and I don't know much about those aircraft, but I am sure the "G" limits on airframes are smaller than for normally constructed aircraft such as general aviation aircraft.

Here's a good article that explains what I am trying to say much better than I can.

https://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf