Yak-9U vs Yak-3

[Perrine]

I think I find 109G14 an equal match to Yak 3.

[Wmaker]

Huh?  Citation pls

Yak-9U first got operational with the 42nd GIAP in August '44 while Yak-3 was being delivered in early spring/summer '44 and was flying in combat in June '44.

Source: Yakovlev's Piston Engined Fighters by Gordon & Khazanov

[SmokinLoon]

I think I find 109G14 an equal match to Yak 3.

Hmm.... In certain areas maybe, such as climb on mil power maybe. Otherwise the -3 is noticeably better in speed, turn, roll, and very noticeably better in forgiveness. Th G-14 wins in versatility for sure (jabo, bomber hunter/killer, AND a fighter). Not to mention a raw firepower advantage (30mm, triple 20mm, an more ammo in the single 20mm).

I think those two planes are worlds apart, actually.

[Widewing]

I think I find 109G14 an equal match to Yak 3.

The Yak-3 is superior to a 109G-14. Will fly circles around it. You need a 109G-2 or F-4 to have a chance. That said, I have no trouble with either, if E states start equal.

[bozon]

AH Yak3 soak up more damage than any other single engine plane in the game, the old yak-9 used to be the damage champ before yak-3 entered the late war arena.

This has been my observation as well, but it needs to be tested by some means before complaints about it will be taken seriously.

Both the yak3 and the Brewster are very durable fighters in the game - surprisingly so given their low weight and lack of armor. In case of the yak-3 I've seem some incredible cases of soaking many hits from multiple opponents with minor damage only. So much so, that I saved the films and had to watch it offline to believe it. Network glitches cannot be ruled out, but it seems common with the yak3.  I don't meet enough yak9u to tell which yak is more durable, though in theory the 9u should be.

[Reaper90]

Yak-7b is the best!

That is all! 

[BnZs]

Both the yak3 and the Brewster are very durable fighters in the game - surprisingly so given their low weight and lack of armor. In case of the yak-3 I've seem some incredible cases of soaking many hits from multiple opponents with minor damage only. So much so, that I saved the films and had to watch it offline to believe it. Network glitches cannot be ruled out, but it seems common with the yak3.  I don't meet enough yak9u to tell which yak is more durable, though in theory the 9u should be.

Right right, but there are going to have to be multiple films of controlled tests before anything is done about it I'd wager. I'd suggest a test involving single 20mm hits to the wing root to determine the number it takes to remove it, and doing the same thing to a Jug for comparison.

[Squire]

AH Yak3 soak up more damage than any other single engine plane in the game

Thats just perception. Its a very small target and a lot of rounds (sprayed in the usual manner by planes with more guns and a lot more ammo) miss. I would say it takes damage averagely and certainly no better than say a Spit does.  Listen on CH200 and every plane and GV in the game gets that accusation thrown at it at some point..."I hit him with this and that and this and that happened"...

The Yak-3 is the better fighter below 14k. The only thing the Yak-9U has on it is speed at alt which in AH type combat does not last long as most fights tend to go low very fast. Yak-3 is as fast and outclimbs the Yak-9U and turns better as well. Endurance is similar in both. Guns the same. Not a lot of reasons to pick a Yak-9U over a Yak-3.   

[BnZs]

Thats just perception. Its a very small target and a lot of rounds (sprayed in the usual manner by planes with more guns and a lot more ammo) miss.

Actually I think this is partially a function of the very real limitations of the damage model. You shoot a burst at a very large plane-every single round counts towards damaging "wing root" and the wing falls off. You shoot a similar burst at a very small plane-some of these rounds end up on counting towards damage not only on "wing root" but possibly also on "outboard wing" and/or flap, aileron, fuselage, etc. I believe this can lead to a Yak being harder to fatally damage than a P-47 or other large tough craft, when in actuality if anything the smaller craft is more likely to suffer badly from a burst of fire than a larger one, all other factors being equal. This is all assuming that the Yaks aren't unusually tough, which proposition I would still like to see tested. I know I have landed 190 20MM sprites on a Yak walking from spinner to tail tip with no smoke, no damage, and no overt sign the pilot was wounded. Something similar happened the last time I fought a Yak3 with Yak3, albeit there were fewer cannons in operation that time.

[LCADolby]

Yak-7b is the best!

That is all! 

I was fooled into thinking this was a zack post!
This is an outrage! 

[Perrine]

The Yak-3 is superior to a 109G-14. Will fly circles around it. You need a 109G-2 or F-4 to have a chance. That said, I have no trouble with either, if E states start equal.

In-game I seem to keep up with them in left-biased turning fights + flaps dropped + throttle mgmt and auto-trim off.

The moment the yaks initiates right bias I break off then wep to regain speed or alt quick.

[Perrine]

I think those two planes are worlds apart, actually.

I was thinking of how they were both used in the east front.  
In the east the G14 was pure fighter and no gondolas
In the west G14 was tasked as pure fighter and a bomber killer.

If there was a german fighter in the east front that can keep up with later yaks it would be the G14.  
I don't think yak3 (irl) ever saw the superior 109K and 190D because they're kept as western front exclusive bomber interceptors or covers for 262's when taking off or landing.

[Karnak]

Actually I think this is partially a function of the very real limitations of the damage model. You shoot a burst at a very large plane-every single round counts towards damaging "wing root" and the wing falls off. You shoot a similar burst at a very small plane-some of these rounds end up on counting towards damage not only on "wing root" but possibly also on "outboard wing" and/or flap, aileron, fuselage, etc. I believe this can lead to a Yak being harder to fatally damage than a P-47 or other large tough craft, when in actuality if anything the smaller craft is more likely to suffer badly from a burst of fire than a larger one, all other factors being equal. This is all assuming that the Yaks aren't unusually tough, which proposition I would still like to see tested. I know I have landed 190 20MM sprites on a Yak walking from spinner to tail tip with no smoke, no damage, and no overt sign the pilot was wounded. Something similar happened the last time I fought a Yak3 with Yak3, albeit there were fewer cannons in operation that time.

This is my take on the damage model making small planes tougher as well.

[Reaper90]

I was fooled into thinking this was a zack post!
This is an outrage! 

I am Zack!!

[SmokinLoon]

I was thinking of how they were both used in the east front.  
In the east the G14 was pure fighter and no gondolas
In the west G14 was tasked as pure fighter and a bomber killer.

If there was a german fighter in the east front that can keep up with later yaks it would be the G14.  
I don't think yak3 (irl) ever saw the superior 109K and 190D because they're kept as western front exclusive bomber interceptors or covers for 262's when taking off or landing.

Ah, I see your position now.  In WWII on the Ost Front, comparing any of the Soviet aircraft and German aircraft MUST include the training of the pilots, tactics used, and ROI/SOP in terms of combat is far different that what we do in the Aces High realm.  THEY are worlds apart indeed.  In actuality, on the Ost Front I don't think the two planes were as apart as they are in AH for the reasons mentioned above.