The decline of ACM in the MA. (flim)

[Hoplite]

Careful, for some here score is everything.

For some, yep.

[DmonSlyr]

For some, yep.

I remember my first year...

[Hoplite]

I don't.  It was a loooonnnggg time ago.

[Randy1]

I am surprised the "Moving controls too rapidly" lock doesn't catch some of the floopers.  It still gets me every couple of months.

Maybe Latrobe could do one of his super videos on what to do instead of flopping. Could be a good deterrent.

[Groth]

 Personally...I like where this thread has gone. There are several true insights posted missed by OP.
                             JGroth

[Hoplite]

*shrug* Who knows?  Certainly not I....all I care about is my score!   

[PJ_Godzilla]

I'm living proof this indeed just a delusion 

Yes, but I can see from your icon that you've got a beautiful mind.

[bustr]

Without looking, do many of you even know who are ranked on the front page for last tour?

It's been years since those rankings have been a serious community topic in the MA or in these forums. Back then SHawk seemed to always be #1, while players in the MA were talking about those who made the list and gunned for them. Seems after awhile it became the rule, not the exception, SHawk would be #1 and what was the point of trying anymore. Kind of removed any pretense for new players to get involved at a number of levels. A bit like the gulf of difference and expectations between all of the casual players and the ACM addicts.

It's been some years since I've watched someone on text get laughed at for telling everyone he's uber because of that number next to his ID in the roster. Drop troops to take a few towns, shoot a few tanks with a GV and land those kills. Drop a few bombs with a bomber. Resupply the HQ a few times and your spawn camping mates. Make sure you fly conservatively and land your fighter after every sortie. Your score will stay low. Meh......and not a lot of fun. Fun for the casual players is a gulf of difference from the ACM crowd. They don't define themselves by any single aspect of the game other than "am I having fun".

The accomplishments are kind of silly but, have more relevance to our current game played by the casual players. It's not something you have to man up and defend all the time like old west gunfighters in movies making a name for themselves. At least with the accomplishments acting as a self imposed informal challenge. You don't run into the level of finessing that happened back when Frenchy offered a prize at the end of his famous "Frenchy Challenge".

If you attempt to hold up ACM as the alpha and omega of the AH experience. Then complain and point fingers at the other 95% of players, who will be casual gamers no matter the MMO, as some kind of "Zerg" blight on your AH experience. What are you showing about your personal lack of flexibility and man up ability to change?

This post has parallels to the corner bar where the regulars drive off new customers in a slow economy because they have forgotten the owner is running a business. 

[BaldEagl]

It's not the size of the wall of text that counts.  It's how you use it.

[nrshida]

Without looking, do many of you even know who are ranked on the front page for last tour?

It's been years since those rankings have been a serious community topic in the MA or in these forums. Back then SHawk seemed to always be #1, while players in the MA were talking about those who made the list and gunned for them. Seems after awhile it became the rule, not the exception, SHawk would be #1 and what was the point of trying anymore. Kind of removed any pretense for new players to get involved at a number of levels. A bit like the gulf of difference and expectations between all of the casual players and the ACM addicts.

It's been some years since I've watched someone on text get laughed at for telling everyone he's uber because of that number next to his ID in the roster. Drop troops to take a few towns, shoot a few tanks with a GV and land those kills. Drop a few bombs with a bomber. Resupply the HQ a few times and your spawn camping mates. Make sure you fly conservatively and land your fighter after every sortie. Your score will stay low. Meh......and not a lot of fun. Fun for the casual players is a gulf of difference from the ACM crowd. They don't define themselves by any single aspect of the game other than "am I having fun".

The accomplishments are kind of silly but, have more relevance to our current game played by the casual players. It's not something you have to man up and defend all the time like old west gunfighters in movies making a name for themselves. At least with the accomplishments acting as a self imposed informal challenge. You don't run into the level of finessing that happened back when Frenchy offered a prize at the end of his famous "Frenchy Challenge".

If you attempt to hold up ACM as the alpha and omega of the AH experience. Then complain and point fingers at the other 95% of players, who will be casual gamers no matter the MMO, as some kind of "Zerg" blight on your AH experience. What are you showing about your personal lack of flexibility and man up ability to change?

This post has parallels to the corner bar where the regulars drive off new customers in a slow economy because they have forgotten the owner is running a business. 

What's he saying? 

[BnZs]

But you could do it in succession. They can't be picking their stick up by the base and randomly shaking it or the 'don't move your controls too rapidly' would catch them. They surely also can't accelerate away doing this. It's a trivial matter to use your superior energy to generate some AoT for a bigger target.

The "porpoise" maneuver described involves a rapid exchange of neg and positive Gs. I am skeptical of how much of this a real pilot could/would endure, and it is nigh impossible to hit.

I'm not really sure what the complaint is here, I think it's just that they are not giving the instant gratification of easy kills. Some of these floobs will catch a highly skilled player in this position one day and find out it's like having a tiger by the tail, when they get their hands bitten off even when holding all the cards they'll have something to complain about  

Floob muddied the point by mocking these maneuvers while at the same time acting as if they never give him any trouble...Well, I'm willing to admit I've trained with some of the best at the overshoot game like Bat, and such ACM can be countered by more ACM, while the landed trout maneuver *still* gives me and others trouble, particularly if the purpose is to delay, delay, delay while his buddy is creeping up your six. I think the parameters for getting a "don't move your stick so rapidly" lockup should be more strict.

[PJ_Godzilla]

The "porpoise" maneuver described involves a rapid exchange of neg and positive Gs. I am skeptical of how much of this a real pilot could/would endure, and it is nigh impossible to hit.

Excellent. The porpoise maneuver: coming soon to a G-14 near you.

[Golden Dragon]

I'm fairly certain the snap-roll and the SINGLE hard negative G pushover ("bunt") were known evasives

Hartmann, the highest scorer in WWII, wrote or said that his first response to an unseen jump was a negative G push and a boot full of rudder.

[Golden Dragon]

While not a fan of stick stirring, the only defensive maneuver I really dislike is the sudden disappearance of a plane that is growing larger in my gunsight which magically reappears behind me in perfect firing position.  How does that happen?

[Hoplite]

Hartmann, the highest scorer in WWII, wrote or said that his first response to an unseen jump was a negative G push and a boot full of rudder.

Yep.   I pointed this out several pages ago...you are forgiven for not seeing it as this is becoming a long thread.   

Please go here:

http://www.1jg51.net/jg51/LwTactics.html

About half way down, look for the following:

"ERICH HARTMANN'S "LAST DITCH" EVASION MANEUVER"

Please read the description.