tank main gun shooting planes down.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Absolutely not. I never had any problems using any tank buster, be it Il-2, B25H or even the 410 (though it's somewhat more limited due to it's HE ammo) against even "decent tankers", because in about any plane you can stay out of the main gun's limited vertical arc of fire.
It's been extremely rare for me to be main gunned, and usually it's just because of a very sloppy approach on my part, for which a good tanker can make me pay.

Nice you are much better than me, I have trouble diving with a B25 and 410. Diving is easy, recovery is scary and usually brings me low enough to get mainguned. To be noted, Tanks are rarely alone when you attacking one you are often in some's elevation of a nearby one.

[Brooke]

Despite the danger, it is a lot of fun to be flying an Il-2 around at treetop level, using the terrain for cover, working to shoot GV's in their sides. 

[Lusche]

To be noted, Tanks are rarely alone when you attacking one you are often in some's elevation of a nearby one.

But even if you are, you are only very rarely blown out of the sky, because most players won't hit you at all if you are not riding down the barrel. In my years of hunting tanks in tankbusters, I found that being essentially a non issue. I die to wirbels, by augering next tot he tank (doh!) and occasionally to an enemy fighter. I'm very rarely maingunned by a tank I'm attacking, and being hit by another tank further out happened maybe like 3 or 4 times to me.

[Lusche]

Despite the danger, it is a lot of fun to be flying an Il-2 around at treetop level, using the terrain for cover, working to shoot GV's in their sides. 

That's in fact something I try to do when the Gv attacking the town is a Wirbel or Ostwind ... tense stuff 

[Brooke]

That's in fact something I try to do when the Gv attacking the town is a Wirbel or Ostwind ... tense stuff 

Indeed.  They usually get me, but it is so much fun when I'm able to sneak around some hills, use trees for cover, so that the Wirb can't see me, then pop up for a quick shot close in.

[hitech]

I hadn't realized there were limitations IRL on how the turret could move.  I'm guessing it's not in the game for the same reason engine management isn't in the planes, it's not fun.

You guess wrong. The turret limitations are modeled.

HiTech

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Bah bah bayham! 

[SFRT - Frenchy]

You guess wrong. The turret limitations are modeled.

HiTech

Maybe you should start some small technical news post on the website on what/how you model. It could go a long way in educating/promoting?

[Widewing]

Nice you are much better than me, I have trouble diving with a B25 and 410. Diving is easy, recovery is scary and usually brings me low enough to get mainguned. To be noted, Tanks are rarely alone when you attacking one you are often in some's elevation of a nearby one.

Well, diving an B-25 can be exciting.... 410s, not so much. Still, a vertical attack in a B-25 will often result in an auger or the missing of important parts....

[Saxman]

Well, diving an B-25 can be exciting.... 410s, not so much. Still, a vertical attack in a B-25 will often result in an auger or the missing of important parts....

I'd still love to see the 5-round AP mix added for the 75mm. I'd imagine that would make a huge difference for the B-25H as an anti-tank platform.

[Volron]

I'd still love to see the 5-round AP mix added for the 75mm. I'd imagine that would make a huge difference for the B-25H as an anti-tank platform.

It means I don't have to spend a year getting into a position that doesn't have me hitting the ground or trees after making my attack run.

[bustr]

BS

So kvuo please explain to our audience how the Hs129 and Ju87 pilots did it then. When their training tactics required shooting under 100m, generally 50m-60m, so their carbide core rounds had enough energy to breach the side armor of Russian tanks. The point of the 30 degree attack angle was the penetration of the armor at 90 degrees.

I believe Hitech has modeled the BK 3.7 carbide round faithfully. Since I can only get a one shot kill on both T-34 from a 30 degree angle against the upper 60 degree sloped armor from 50-60 yards away. Any farther out, and it's repeated passes as I tick down the damage counter on the armor.

But, please kvuo tell us how the Hs129 and Ju87 pilots really accomplished.

[Mano]

At the same time, tree branches protect your tank from just about anything. The leaves are made of kevlar and the wood is filled with concrete it seems.

We would not have to strafe GVs if the ords in A-bases were not kept in camping-tents that can be strafed down with machine guns. If BS like tanks firing at planes is to stay in the game, the proper counter is bombs on the planes. If GVs dont want to be bombed by planes they should attack V-bases. If someone attacks an A-base, I have a special little thing filled with 4000 lbs of explosives and dirty underwear ready for the perked tanks. As long as I have that, please, fire away with the main gun.

The problem is that a single P-51/LA7 will come along in a suicide run and strafe down the ord bunkers, completely disabling ordnance in one fell gamy swoop. There's also a twist on that that involve a B17/24 at 20,000 feet with laser guided bombs. The appropriate gamy balancy thingy to do is that destroying ord bunker also disable ammo for the main guns of tanks (and put an ord bunker in V-fields). How about that? It is only logical that tank shells are kept in the same tent as the 500 lbs bombs.

If GV's don't want to get bombed......attack v bases?  Where have you been? GV's always get bomb****ied at v-bases. bomb****ies spend thirty minutes getting altitude to kill the GV in the crater in Grebo's new terrain. Many of them are tankers that haven't put in the time to learn GV's. Others cannot dogfight so they find something much easier to learn...bomb the tanks.  .

 Many tankers take the time to go and take down ords at the nearby airfields for one reason.....to enjoy the tank fights without the bomb****ies. I hope the new terrain engine gives GV's more cover and camofauge.

If you are tired of tanks main gunning your plane spend some time with a trainer. They are there to help.

 

[Mano]

I hadn't realized there were limitations IRL on how the turret could move.  I'm guessing it's not in the game for the same reason engine management isn't in the planes, it's not fun.

Some tanks have a really slow moving turret like the Panzer F and the Tiger 1, while both T-34's versions have very fast moving turrets. One of the reasons I use the T-34/85 is because I and can swing the turret around and hit a low flying plane in the six with an HE round. I have done it more times than I can remember.

 

[Widewing]

If GV's don't want to get bombed......attack v bases?  Where have you been? GV's always get bomb****ied at v-bases. bomb****ies spend thirty minutes getting altitude to kill the GV in the crater in Grebo's new terrain. Many of them are tankers that haven't put in the time to learn GV's. Others cannot dogfight so they find something much easier to learn...bomb the tanks.  .

 Many tankers take the time to go and take down ords at the nearby airfields for one reason.....to enjoy the tank fights without the bomb****ies. I hope the new terrain engine gives GV's more cover and camofauge.

If you are tired of tanks main gunning your plane spend some time with a trainer. They are there to help.

 

Two things.... People should not fly planes to tank town. Let them have their fun in peace. Not every map has a dedicated tank town. So, there are well know locations where the GVs will have a big brawl. For the most part, flyers should stay away from those places.

Second, where I see no effort to capture the bases, I sometimes talk with the red guys and if they are just looking for a tank fight, I let them have their fight. If I believe that the GVs are going for a base capture.... No soup for them.

There are exceptions of course. One or two tanks shooting up a remote base isn't looking for a fight. Those boys will be sent home....