tank main gun shooting planes down.

[WWhiskey]

Otto Carius Tiger in the mud is one possible instance that does not pan out with research. Far more likely Russian AC was destroyed by conventional AAA. Simply a case of a man claiming a kill that he did not make. Frequent occurrence in WWII.

AH Bulletin Board-- HillBilLee
 

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far more likely is not proof, it's speculation,, speculate all you want!
 The laws of physics is on my side, two objects traveling in different directions or different speeds cannot occupy the same space without damage , the rounds travel thru air, the plane travels thru air, when they get into the same space, bad things happen

[Groth]

 When the tank commander'buttoned up' his view was restricted by the viewing/prisms field. These could be damaged under fire, and in many tanks spares would be fitted 'in combat'. A commanders field of view while not 'buttoned up' was un-restricted..he could even use binoculors(of high mag..if he had them.
 Why a commanders FOV was limited by HTC....in my humble opinion..was because some could sit of at good distance, mag view and direct main gun fire past HTC's 'comfort level'....yet this would be historically accurate. Now, you NEED 2nd unit/tank/person/jeep to do the same. Not historic??
 A tank commander would 'button-up' at first sign of small arms/machine-gun fire if it was from air or ground.
 So HE wouldn't die.
 The Soviets 'learned' w/HS-129 to get out of tank when that plane attacked...learned is key word.
 The commanders view 'buttoned-up' was and IS now, differant than when not. Even in Abrahms..or a Stryker...
 Might be impossible or too hard to code.
 Current commander-view he is impervious to small arms/machine gun fire. Not realistic, now or than.
 And YES..I was one who would stand off and direct my main gun fire at realistic distances for that gun, EVEN when the gunners sights could not be brought to bear on target.
 My 14.99....                        JGroth

[Chalenge]

I would take Otto Carius' word (someone who was there) over someone that was not even born until many years later.

[Groth]

 WHY this is sooo obtuse is mystery to me. Make the 'commander view' killable...not kill tank, just unavaible to 'CREW'... there's still, gunner(driver/pilot??)
                                                  JGroth

[Groth]

 Like bombader view in 'bomber' w/no bombader position..black screen...and note"Commander Incapacitated'...
 If player can 'duck down'/'button-up' while being small armed he 'escapes' incapacitation...

                        JGroth

[scott66]

I would take Otto Carius' word (someone who was there) over someone that was not even born until many years later.

+1

[Megalodon]

Like bombader view in 'bomber' w/no bombader position..black screen...and note"Commander Incapacitated'...
                        JGroth

 He is the commander akin to the Pilot..not the gunner....  he gets popped ... tower!

1 guy gets to control the whole tank ....gunners dont runn from the back of the plane and take over.

[Groth]

 IF that's the reason......fine.
 IS that the reason? Thought driver 'flew' the GV....ie:'we' can switch thru all diff positions.....
 Any other opinions??
                             JGroth

[WWhiskey]

One person fills all rolls on the plane and the GV,, gunners die, that position is lost in both planes and GVs, the turret gets knocked out,maybe the gunner is dead, rear plane gunner is dead,same thing.
The commander veiw is relatively new, we used to have a drivers position instead of the commanders position, this makes more sense than that did tho I loved the old way and would love to have all positions back,,  if we did, I could see killing the commander and controlling the tank from the gunner or driver position but that's not possible today.

[Groth]

 Same here, WWhiskey....
 Any more??                         JGroth

[Hoplite]

The more important aspect of the argument isn't "if" it happened in real life but if it "could" have happened.  There are things that are done on a daily basis in aces high that never happened in real life. Did fighter pilots land 6 air to air victories in one sortie regularly or ever?  Did jets fly around NOE like a snake in the grass?  When the planes are free, no lives are lost, the rules of engagement change entirely.   

Agreed on all counts.

[Groth]

 If a round penetrates hull and kills all...your dead...but commander can button-up or leave his self exposed..killing him doesn't kill tank...just his view...
  Thoughts??
  JGroth

[WWhiskey]

If a round penetrates hull and kills all...your dead...but commander can button-up or leave his self exposed..killing him doesn't kill tank...just his view...
  Thoughts??
  JGroth

great,,, but the driver cannot button up as it is, so sacrifices must be made, a request for such could be made in the wish list forum,, other than that, it is as it is!
I would imagine the plane people wouldn't be to happy about all the extra resourses needed to change all the GV models to represent this,, I and others would be much happier to see the new graphics, subs, ect,ect,ect, before new tank views were installed,

[Megalodon]

If a round penetrates hull and kills all...your dead...but commander can button-up or leave his self exposed..killing him doesn't kill tank...just his view...
  Thoughts??
  JGroth

 Cool we'll have the bombardier or co-pilot to fly the plane home when the pilot dies then?

[Groth]

 Must be me.... when I started you were in 'drivers' position....can YOU fly plane from bombader/gunner position?? Remarkable ability.I hope my sarcasim only reaches your level, no more.
 Wish list?
 And I thought I was extrapolating on discussion at hand....TY soo much..
 Anyone else?
                       JGroth