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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #225 on: April 09, 2014, 01:14:10 AM »


I think the original post was conveying his feeling on being main gunned by a tank.
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #226 on: April 09, 2014, 01:17:23 AM »

We can't find that out.

Maybe we can't - but isn't it just aggregated killed in/killed from data? I mean: when I pop up an individual's stats for the tour, I can get data about what he was in and what he killed as well as what he was in when killed by what. If HT has that for an individual, it is surely summable across all individuals. Is this just an access issue? Or, bear in mind, my statement is just for aircraft. I honestly don't recall if there was any breakdown on the ground platforms that killed me or that I killed...

In any case, please elaborate.  
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #227 on: April 09, 2014, 03:25:01 AM »
Maybe we can't - but isn't it just aggregated killed in/killed from data? I mean: when I pop up an individual's stats for the tour, I can get data about what he was in and what he killed as well as what he was in when killed by what.


Yes, that's available. But that doesn't tell us which player has been the most prolific tank to air (maingun) shooter, which has been the original question. The kill numbers encompass also pintle and proxy kills, the latter one being the vast majority of aircraft "kills" by tanks.
I have, for example, almost 900 recorded plane 'kills' in tanks and tank destroyers, but certainly not more than two, maybe three dozen of these were actually hit by my main gun.
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #228 on: April 09, 2014, 06:11:14 AM »

Yes, that's available. But that doesn't tell us which player has been the most prolific tank to air (maingun) shooter, which has been the original question. The kill numbers encompass also pintle and proxy kills, the latter one being the vast majority of aircraft "kills" by tanks.
I have, for example, almost 900 recorded plane 'kills' in tanks and tank destroyers, but certainly not more than two, maybe three dozen of these were actually hit by my main gun.

Assuming most avid tankers would end up with a similar percentage of proxies, I would think a ballpark tally could be arrived at.....  by arbitrarily calling all kills above and beyond that percentage "main gun kills"  likewise I would think that the only plane to have a disporportionate number of pintle deaths would be the storch.   Basically just saying that if getting the total tank to air kills isnt too hard of a number to get at..... we could get a general idea of who's good at main gunning after some good ole Sherlock Holmes deducing.   :old:
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #229 on: April 09, 2014, 06:21:19 AM »
If the commander is lost and replaced by crew would not reload time suffer?

No, you would lose the ability to fire from that position, same as a bomber.
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #230 on: April 09, 2014, 06:25:18 AM »
Assuming most avid tankers would end up with a similar percentage of proxies,


In my opinion that would be too much of an assumption to derive any individual conclusions from it. The individual range of main gun kill percentage will vary immensely, so it's rather pointless to declare a "top gunner" from such a feeble foundation. Especially if you consider that compiling that data would mean big investment in work and time ... ;)


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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #231 on: April 09, 2014, 08:57:44 AM »

Yes, that's available. But that doesn't tell us which player has been the most prolific tank to air (maingun) shooter, which has been the original question. The kill numbers encompass also pintle and proxy kills, the latter one being the vast majority of aircraft "kills" by tanks.
I have, for example, almost 900 recorded plane 'kills' in tanks and tank destroyers, but certainly not more than two, maybe three dozen of these were actually hit by my main gun.


Yes, I can see the difficulty of separating out pintle and proxy. However, certainly the most prolific ground-to-air data is available. Perhaps as a wish list item we could request HT to separate the "platform" into its different gun positions? That might make for some interesting bomber stats as well.


DALE: Make it SO... kidding, of course. Still, I'd sort of like to see that. In fact, I'd like to see, for example, 999's numbers on the different B-17 gun positions. That way, it'd be possible to make some hypostheses about which avenue of approach is best, in his case, and perhaps across the board with this most salamanderly of bombers. That way, when I'm falling out of the sky, oiled and sans a wing, I can know that I've stumbled across a relatively new way to get shot down by a B-17.
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #232 on: April 09, 2014, 09:23:37 AM »

   A tank tried to main gun me last night while I was trucking some ordinance to a customer. Well he became a preferred customer and got his shipment first.  :ahand

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #233 on: April 09, 2014, 09:53:38 AM »
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I think the original post was conveying his feeling on being main gunned by a tank.

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #234 on: April 09, 2014, 10:18:27 AM »

In my opinion that would be too much of an assumption to derive any individual conclusions from it. The individual range of main gun kill percentage will vary immensely, so it's rather pointless to declare a "top gunner" from such a feeble foundation. Especially if you consider that compiling that data would mean big investment in work and time ... ;)

A perfectly understandable determination to make, Hence the caveat "if getting the total tank to air kills isnt too hard of a number to get at" was added.   :aok.   Not being privy to the inner workings of the software you use and how much of the work load it bears, I plead ignorance regarding how much of an investment I'm asking you to make.
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #235 on: April 09, 2014, 10:30:43 AM »
Not being privy to the inner workings of the software you use and how much of the work load it bears,


There's not that much 'inner workings' at all, I use small homebrew Python scripts to grab the data from the webpage.
80 minutes is a rough estimate for grabbing the tank->plane kills player data for just one tour (time for writing the program as well as processing, editing and publishing of the data not included).

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #236 on: April 09, 2014, 10:44:24 AM »
Negative. There's several other guys still in the tank unlike a fighter. Loss of commander sending you to the tower would be like getting sent to the tower for losing a gunner in a bomber. Your logic is very flawed.

Nope. Just because you don't understand my position doesn't make it flawed.

Commander = pilot in bomber

Lots of other guys in a bomber other than the pilot, but it the pilot takes a direct hit, you're dead. Towered.

Should be the same in a GV, in my opinion.
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #237 on: April 09, 2014, 11:03:28 AM »
Nope. Just because you don't understand my position doesn't make it flawed.

Commander = pilot in bomber

Lots of other guys in a bomber other than the pilot, but it the pilot takes a direct hit, you're dead. Towered.

Should be the same in a GV, in my opinion.

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #238 on: April 09, 2014, 11:36:44 AM »

We can't find that out.



I'm sure you could extrapolate from my scores in the JU87-G2......... just take 1/2 of the tank kills on me and add those in the tree column.... take a 1/3 of whats left and add to the ground column ...... from the remaining subtract 1/4 and add to the proxy column.....  finally remove 1/8th add to the Pintle column.    :lol

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #239 on: April 09, 2014, 12:08:56 PM »
I don't think you guys get it, its not like HTC wouldn't think of modelling the commander, it was made that way to make things easier for guys in GVs much like Sups and Wirbles minus a crew, icons etc.

I guess the bigger question is what happens when the guys playing predominately in GVs outnumber the plane guys? I mean what I have listed there are quite big concessions for a sim that prides itself on the fidelity of its modelling. You already have guys in the wishlist asking for a20's to be perked and other please make this a GV game nonsense  :rofl